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welcome to skeptic Oh where we explore

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controversial science and spirituality

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with leading researchers thinkers and

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their critics I'm your host Alex Karras

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now today I know is going to be a tough

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show for a lot of people because even if

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I tell you that during the more than six

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years I've known returning guests mary

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Rodwell that i've always found her to be

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among the most forthright open honest

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researchers in the UFO and ET non human

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intelligence contact kind of field

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that's not gonna amount to much and even

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if I told you which I will that mary has

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always been among the first people to

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look for a scientific understanding what

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she does for academic verification of

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what she does and that that's why she

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collaborated with the folks from the

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free group to compile the first academic

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survey of contact experience and even if

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I told you that she's world renowned and

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recognized as an expert in this field

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and that she's authored books like the

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one you can see on the screen the new

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human awakening to our cosmic heritage I

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can tell you all that stuff and in a lot

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of ways it just isn't going to matter

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because unfortunately the result of

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Mary's research the inevitable

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conclusion that she's come to is really

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going to shake you to your core it

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shakes me to my core still and I've got

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all this time to marinate in it and talk

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with her and interview her multiple

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times and debate with David Jacobs and

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all the rest of it that we've done it's

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just hard stuff to take but if anything

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that's what gives me even more respect

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for this woman in this amazing

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researcher who has stuck by her guns

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stuck by her methodology and year after

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year has just compiled more

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more evidence of this rather remarkable

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astonishing story that we are really

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part of a cosmic heritage and part of a

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genetic engineering

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we're really not in control of so Mary

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it is so great to talk to you again and

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welcome you back and thanks for joining

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me Alex it's always a pleasure what can

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I say and thank you for the intro

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you're already preparing people to have

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their paradigm just slightly shaken and

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stirred well you know it's it's funny

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because I posted before this interview a

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list of uh you know opposed to say hey I

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have upcoming any upcoming questions for

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Mary ride well and I was surprised

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because the skeptical audience is really

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on it you know we cover all the topics

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related to consciousness extended

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consciousness nd ease contact modalities

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eating the whole thing they're on it

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there's still all this resistance and I

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get it I understand it and I don't need

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to defend you your work stands on its

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own but I just kept saying to folks I I

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don't get it you know I I tell you every

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way I look at her work I cannot poke

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holes in her work her results are

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extraordinary but her methodology and

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the person she is just shines through so

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I'm just gonna wind up saying the same

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thing but people can go watch your

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presentations and the only hard thing

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about it is just that the matter-of-fact

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way that you deliver the goods you just

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stand up there and say this is it this

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is what I found well at the end of the

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day if you're not authentic

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quite honestly Alex people soon see

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through you and you've obviously got a

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wonderful audience that has a very

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healthy left brain and for me that's

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really important because so of I I

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haven't come from being a nurse and a

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midwife to being a councillor for 35

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years working in the field both of

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health and psychology

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I know how mainstream works and I also

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have that that side of me that wants to

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see the evidence because too many people

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are quite keen to just believe because

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it sounds good

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to have the the data that backs up your

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hypothesis as much as you can do given

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the fact as you well know with free and

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what we've discovered is that's that 25%

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of the contact with non-human

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intelligences is generally the physical

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75% is non-physical out-of-body now

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where do you go with that because we're

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still struggling to understand what

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consciousness is that we actually have a

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part of ourselves that is the essence of

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who we are that operates within this

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biological body that seems to have the

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ability to leave it in our dreams and

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some do it consciously and go to other

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realms that much we're understanding

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near-death experiences there's hundreds

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of books out there now showing that we

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do exist outside our body so I mean how

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much evidence do you really want that

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this is possible the bottom line for me

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and people say to me you know where is

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the evidence that people are having

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these interactions where is the evidence

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that you know they don't come back with

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a piece of the craft

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you know they don't come back with you

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know anything that they feel is tangible

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but what is tangible and what we do know

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is that if you've had a real experience

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it affects you on every level

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both emotionally and psychologically and

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spiritually and time and time again we

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have found with our research with free

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remember that was 4200 people conscious

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recall saying that 85% of those people

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had psycho-spiritual transformation and

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what we mean by that is everything in

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their life they've reappraised they way

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they live is changed their spiritual

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orientation

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has changed that you know that even what

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they eat has changed they're more

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holistic in their understanding they

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feel more connected to the greater

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reality they you know don't want to harm

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anything they care about the planet all

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these things may be a major shift from

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their materialistic lies prior to this

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where they suddenly lose complete

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interest in making money and getting the

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bigger house and the yacht in the back

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garden and say I want to live a more

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holistic life on a piece of land where

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I'm growing my own food where I care

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about the animals all this kind of thing

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now that doesn't happen because they've

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had a hallucination but what also goes

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with that and I'm I'm putting together a

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particular presentation because I'm

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going to Brazil in a month's time and

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it's called triggers of consciousness

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and what it's showing is the other

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things that accompany their changes

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suddenly out of the blue they may start

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to do strange art work they may start to

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find themselves doing codes or scripts

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they may find themselves coming out with

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these strange languages for example and

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it's amazing the numbers of people that

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have never picked up a paintbrush

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suddenly find that because of their

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experiences they're triggered into

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bringing in this artwork that they say

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almost materializes in front of them

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they have no input in it this is the

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kind of thing I'm seeing so where is the

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evidence the evidence is it changes

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people in dramatic ways from this

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experience that in itself is evidence of

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a reality so you know you can't dismiss

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that well you know what I love about

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what you just did and I think a lot of

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people listening to this show will be

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able to appreciate it is you reveal they

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are the scientific mind that you always

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have applied to this and I think that's

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why you were such a natural fit with

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free who just said hey let's buckle down

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and do an academic research survey like

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is done in every other field like if

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somebody has pain in the hospital and

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you want to find out you know you just

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go ask a bunch of people

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that's how you do it it's a scientific

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medical survey and you were just such a

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natural fit because you think in those

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lines and I think if we deconstructed

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and we don't want to take all the time

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what you said that's what we would find

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you know you're saying okay what is a

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factor that we could really rely on what

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evidence could we would be mostly all

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these things that you start stacking up

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okay well we look at changes over time

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and people's personalities because we

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know that personalities may are

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relatively fixed in the ways that we've

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studied them and understood them you're

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a counselor you've been accredited and

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within the UK in their system they said

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yes this person is qualified they're in

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Australia you've done the same so one of

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the points I wanted to raise and draw

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people's attention to because they might

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not know or appreciate it is exactly

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this so I know it's going a couple steps

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back from all the amazing stuff that

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you've done but I do feel a need to

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remind people that you are someone who

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is professionally minded academic minded

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you're always thinking of those

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standards and that the other couple

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things I just wanted to touch on and

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then I want you to talk more about your

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methodology because you have some

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specific things that you've done when

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you'd work with people that I think

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makes your results more reliable and

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more trustworthy but the second point I

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wanted to make is you are among a number

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of researchers who have found the same

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thing so you know some of these things

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that you're talking about lately with

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the art and music advanced skills are

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truly things that you've kind of broken

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some ground on but even in those areas

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we can find other researchers that are

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kind of finding the same thing so one of

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the things that I think people naturally

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do they go oh this is crazy Mary rod

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well she is one of a number of

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researchers who have different opinions

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but who among those difference opinions

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we see a lot of commonality in their

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things and then the last point I hope

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you touch on because it is still to this

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day a hot-button issue with people is

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hypnosis and regression if people

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immediately freak out oh my god forget

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it forget everything it's written it's

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like that's not how it works folks I

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mean there's still a lot of countries

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other than the United States that allow

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professionally done hypnotic regression

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to be allowed into court and under

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circumstances to beat testimony it's

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it's and it used to be that way in the

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United States and it's still used for

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different purposes so the whole idea

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that people have these kind of triggers

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like that doesn't really add up to the

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to the true science if you look to it so

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Mary speak to the issue of methodology

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and why that's important to you and some

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of the things you've done to make sure

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that what you're finding really does

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stack up a very good question the

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methodology really was similar to what

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free did and remember we had dr. clemo

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professor of psychology for 40 years dr.

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and many other credible researchers in

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the field all putting in their input to

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the question six hundred questions asked

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in multiple ways to make sure we had a

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clarity on what people were saying about

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their experiences and this was all

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deliberately conscious recall we haven't

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even gone into hypnosis at this point we

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haven't gone into even the paranormal

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what do you consciously remember about

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you but you have gone into and I want

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people to know yet that you know so the

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free backs up winds up support the free

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academic survey winds up backing up and

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supporting the work that you've done for

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years and years and I just want people

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to know that that research when you talk

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about that when we get into this and you

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start talking about cases and you're

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gonna blow people away with these cases

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and with these kids and I want what I

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want them to know is that you are a

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careful researcher and the way you go

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about collecting this data and you

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always have been

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and when I did the the interview back

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and forth but I would love for be able

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to go back and listen to because it

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really was so amazing to me but with

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david jacobs who is a PhD social science

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and considers his standards to be very

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he's very proud of his standards

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you are right their point on point in

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terms of how you did it and more than

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held your own so i want to remind people

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of that that even before the free study

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you've always been about methodology

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about science

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it's been extremely important because

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when I wrote the book awakening as a

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therapeutic resource book for people who

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had nowhere to go no one to talk to or

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didn't feel safe to this was a process

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that will help you through your

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experiences going on all the patterns of

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experience that many hundreds of people

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were telling me the questions they came

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up with how do I know this is real how

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do I know I'm not crazy what do I do

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about the fear what about my children

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and because I am a therapist you know

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I've been a counselor 35 years okay so

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this is a it's still a human experience

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what do you do with trauma what do you

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do with validating how it's affecting

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people what strategies can you use so

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the book was written as a therapist and

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I did a whole chapter for the therapist

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saying if you want to know my

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methodology this is where it's based on

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you know primary counseling from you

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know my training so it's all going back

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to honoring the experience honoring the

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person's wisdom and their understanding

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it's not about me interpreting it's

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about giving them the art the way to

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interpret it however they choose to from

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their particular lens of reality or

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whatever it is but my bottom line was

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the whole time that anyone can pick that

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book up and say that that there was

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nothing that contradicts normal

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therapeutic approach and in fun

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interesting I've only recently a

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hypnotherapist in Germany is translating

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into German and the awakening and said

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every psychologist in the world should

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read this was what her what she said

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mean are they

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there's the qualification what I said

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was how it can transform your life

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because that's exactly what I was seeing

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yes I saw trauma yes I saw many

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initially being terrified but what I

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also saw was the more that they looked

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into it they more they started to

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understand what was going on the more

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that that changed into a whole new

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understanding of what that meant for

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them and it ended up being for many of

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them a completely transformed experience

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I mean I call the the UFO experience the

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modern-day shamanic wake-up call because

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as the shaman you have to transcend your

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fears to operate in a multi-dimensional

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world and this is exactly what I see

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happening through the this contact

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experiences you go through the fear to

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another level of awareness

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if you transcend it but my getting back

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to my methodology it always came from my

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baseline or my counseling practice so

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having done that and of course that's

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what happened with free was they

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qualified all the patterns that I was

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seeing because for me that was the

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reality if you sit if you hear time and

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time again the same things from people

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from all over the globe all cultures all

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belief systems or professions from

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children of six and seven years old to

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70 or 80 years old then you've got to

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say hold on a minute are they also

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loosen ating or are they actually

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experiencing something and you know come

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on you know where does skip sudden get

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to a point where hold on a minute you

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know what this is a little bit too much

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like this is real and and for so for me

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that came in not knowing for sure about

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anything I came in with an open mind I

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always say you know the open mindedness

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doesn't equate to gullibility it means

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you're open to what you don't know and I

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don't know what I don't know is so the

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only way to find out is to get enough

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testimony from credible people now I'm

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talking about people who had PhDs on

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lawyers doctors nurses social social

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workers you know farmers housewives and

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children

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seven or eight years old that are

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describing to me similar patterns of

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experience and children of course don't

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watch talk shows they don't you know

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they don't be folks and they're coming

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out with complex concepts and you've

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gotta say now hold on a minute where did

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these come from and they say well we

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learned them on the graft you know this

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is what we're being taught this is where

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we're being taken this is what we're

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we're shown to do things drawing exactly

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the same types of beings adults draw and

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explaining the same things only in more

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childish language often there's not so

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my methodology was simple I gathered as

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much data as I could and I looked at the

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data and I saw where all the patterns

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were and then in the end it's like it

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speaks for itself and and that for me is

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is the validity of this hundreds of

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thousands and now you know I about three

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three and a half thousand families and

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children globally I get emails from all

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over the world telling me the same

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things that I'm getting from the

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english-speaking world so that is the

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number of people you've worked with

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right yes

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yes so let me take that in folks this is

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one person and her research base at this

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point is a counselor trained counselor

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research bases 3,000 3,500 people have

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had that contact experience mean come on

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so I tell you what Mary we I kind of

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have been putting together this little

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board game skeptical jeopardy and I have

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my we already talked about methodology

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for the folks who are just hearing this

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and aren't seeing it let me go through

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the other categories new human which is

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the title of your most recent book

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couple years old now but still one we

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should talk about and I want to go there

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next but I also have some other topics

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tech vs. spiritual a really interesting

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topic to me in terms of understanding

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the relationship between consciousness

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technology and spirituality and if there

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is a line there or how blur that line is

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star children which again blows people

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away but we just have to follow the data

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and consider the possibility that there

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are these children

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that are especially being seated in some

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way that is beyond belief you've dug

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into the DNA a research I want to say or

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you've sought scientific understanding

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to support some of your findings in a

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very open way and I think that's awesome

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I want to talk about stranger things the

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Netflix show and both good and bad of

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that I think I have a couple of other

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pet topics a mind beyond the the main

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book but you know how far advanced is

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some of this technology consciousness

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and et related non-human intelligence

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related good-versus-evil ET I gotta

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bring that up Richard Dolan has been all

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over there and talking about it and I

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just think there's something interesting

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going on there that needs to be talked

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about and I want to leave plenty of time

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to talk about the cases because the

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cases just are stunning and they're

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going to blow people away so I'm going

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to pick the next one because I want to

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go to new human and after that I want

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you to direct this and we'll just go as

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far as we can so tell us then about the

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book the new human and the cosmic

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heritage is the term you've used I had a

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couple other bullet points I know you'll

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hit on is the upgrade and then the one

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question I'd have related to that is to

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what extent is do you think this is a

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recent now kind of thing versus is it

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does it fit in the longer lens of an

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ongoing process so start wherever you'd

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like with the book the new human well

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the reason I wrote the new human was

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once I come to terms with the reality

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and how I can help those waking up to

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their experiences and finding a way

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through understanding and integrating it

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in a way that was helpful to them I then

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began to see a pattern of what I believe

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was an upgrading of the genetic line so

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it was intergenerational that's been

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well known that it goes through family

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lines so that if your father or your

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grandfather's had it

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experiences it will come through to the

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grandchildren or whether it's a maternal

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side of it it will come through those

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life and I just interject one thing

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because you say that very

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matter-of-factly and you should but what

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I want people to know is that this is

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something that evidentially is is backed

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up by multiple researchers over and over

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again just statistically you're much

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more likely to be in this family line of

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having contact than not so I just want

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people to know you're not just kind of

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saying that off hand again you've had

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3,000 cases of your own but there's

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other people that have had thousands and

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thousands of cases in overwhelmingly

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this is statistically just the way the

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data Falls absolutely if I ask someone

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who's had experiences has your mother or

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your father or grandparents ever said

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anything unusual or was a bit different

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in terms of more psychic or whatever

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often they'll say you know grandad was

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always into UFOs or whatever or grandma

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was a bit Faye you know she always had

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she saw things and whatever then I think

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there you go there's your family line

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and it may be the paternal side it

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doesn't matter but that is what I was

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fascinated by because it tied into what

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I understand about the DNA because the

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bottom line here of course is why I'm

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talking about connecting to a cosmic

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heritage is that the research that I've

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done and the whistleblowers I've talked

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to molecular biologists geneticists that

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have seen within our DNA the fact that

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we've been altered and changed because

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the whole thing is if that's the case

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first of all it explains why they're so

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interested in us and secondly it

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explains what I'm seeing is the what I

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call the upgrades of human coming down

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the family lines because what I was

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seeing was if granddad or grandma had

549
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:06,210
experiences then you had the parent

550
00:24:11,390 --> 00:24:09,210
having things happen usually a little

551
00:24:14,150 --> 00:24:11,400
bit more aware and then you got the

552
00:24:16,730 --> 00:24:14,160
child that's quite comfortable with

553
00:24:18,490 --> 00:24:16,740
talking about yes I go up on spacecraft

554
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:18,500
they showing you how to use my abilities

555
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:22,250
etc etc the thing that

556
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:25,970
really was to me a light bulb moment was

557
00:24:29,770 --> 00:24:27,650
the whole thing was where is the

558
00:24:32,620 --> 00:24:29,780
evidence in a mainstream way of

559
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:32,630
understanding it metaphysically you've

560
00:24:37,330 --> 00:24:35,120
got those that talk about the indigo

561
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:37,340
children the crystal children children

562
00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:40,090
of like noticing children with different

563
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:43,370
awareness for want of a better word but

564
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:46,010
I wanted something that was to me more

565
00:24:51,790 --> 00:24:48,770
mainstream tangible and what I was

566
00:24:54,580 --> 00:24:51,800
seeing was that we were getting more and

567
00:24:59,680 --> 00:24:54,590
more children born with such things as

568
00:25:02,560 --> 00:24:59,690
ADHD Asperger's dyslexia on some forms

569
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:02,570
of autism and these were often born to

570
00:25:06,700 --> 00:25:05,330
people having experiences and I'm

571
00:25:09,070 --> 00:25:06,710
thinking there hold on a minute if this

572
00:25:11,770 --> 00:25:09,080
is supposed to be an upgrade why do they

573
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:11,780
appear to be dysfunctional unless

574
00:25:17,860 --> 00:25:15,170
they're not dysfunctional we are and the

575
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:17,870
reason I say that is one light bulb

576
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:19,490
moment was when I was talking to Neal

577
00:25:25,270 --> 00:25:22,250
gold in Hong Kong who told me he was in

578
00:25:29,290 --> 00:25:25,280
his 50s before he realized that he was

579
00:25:32,290 --> 00:25:29,300
ADHD he said I always saw a matrix a

580
00:25:35,020 --> 00:25:32,300
complexity of reality that nobody else

581
00:25:38,650 --> 00:25:35,030
seemed to see and he wrote a book Close

582
00:25:41,860 --> 00:25:38,660
Encounters of the ADHD kind and he said

583
00:25:43,930 --> 00:25:41,870
and so what he was saying was that I

584
00:25:45,670 --> 00:25:43,940
didn't know why I saw things differently

585
00:25:49,990 --> 00:25:45,680
and why behave differently and he's

586
00:25:52,780 --> 00:25:50,000
actually retranslated ADHD into always

587
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:52,790
dialed into higher dimensions there's a

588
00:25:58,660 --> 00:25:55,970
clue what I was seeing was why are

589
00:26:00,360 --> 00:25:58,670
people who are having experiences ending

590
00:26:03,310 --> 00:26:00,370
up having children with so-called

591
00:26:07,180 --> 00:26:03,320
dysfunctions unless they're not

592
00:26:10,090 --> 00:26:07,190
dysfunctions and another scientists that

593
00:26:11,590 --> 00:26:10,100
has helped me with understanding this is

594
00:26:14,350 --> 00:26:11,600
dr. Lena Olson who's a molecular

595
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:14,360
biologist in Sweden she calls them

596
00:26:21,010 --> 00:26:16,850
letter people part Asperger's part

597
00:26:24,220 --> 00:26:21,020
autistic a little bit of ADHD and she

598
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:24,230
said I am one I am one of these letter

599
00:26:28,870 --> 00:26:26,770
people and she's had lots of it

600
00:26:31,870 --> 00:26:28,880
multidimensional experiences but she

601
00:26:35,380 --> 00:26:31,880
noticed through scientifically testing

602
00:26:35,810 --> 00:26:35,390
she's got a higher sensitivity in her

603
00:26:38,690 --> 00:26:35,820
sense

604
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:38,700
it's both touch hearing is it she can

605
00:26:45,580 --> 00:26:43,170
hear a broader level of sound her eyes

606
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:45,590
can see a broader spectrum of light

607
00:26:51,140 --> 00:26:48,570
everything is more sensitive and she's

608
00:26:53,900 --> 00:26:51,150
tested this within herself as she's a

609
00:26:55,970 --> 00:26:53,910
scientist and she said and this is what

610
00:26:59,270 --> 00:26:55,980
is happening with the children they are

611
00:27:02,090 --> 00:26:59,280
having these higher senses the problem

612
00:27:05,150 --> 00:27:02,100
we are seeing is they don't operate so

613
00:27:06,980 --> 00:27:05,160
well in what we term our 3d reality

614
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:06,990
because we don't understand this

615
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:10,080
sensitivity the fact that why are they

616
00:27:15,020 --> 00:27:11,850
so sensitive well because they're an

617
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:15,030
upgrade right and you know I just want

618
00:27:19,490 --> 00:27:18,090
to jump in there I I do I'm with you I

619
00:27:22,250 --> 00:27:19,500
think you're breaking some important

620
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:22,260
ground there I don't see a one-to-one

621
00:27:28,780 --> 00:27:25,050
connection but it's it's not complete

622
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:28,790
it's like hey there's a link between

623
00:27:35,060 --> 00:27:32,810
vaccines especially the untested

624
00:27:37,310 --> 00:27:35,070
multiple vaccines that are given in

625
00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:37,320
autism so this doesn't take away from

626
00:27:41,270 --> 00:27:39,600
that and it doesn't take away from that

627
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:41,280
there that every person who has

628
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:45,360
Asperger's is a starseed child what I

629
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:48,690
think you're raising is just the the

630
00:27:53,090 --> 00:27:51,120
sound the alarm to hate do we need to

631
00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:53,100
potentially understand this differently

632
00:27:59,780 --> 00:27:56,370
when we start opening up - I like how

633
00:28:01,910 --> 00:27:59,790
you say multiple dimensions extended

634
00:28:04,100 --> 00:28:01,920
consciousness thing and the other thing

635
00:28:06,950 --> 00:28:04,110
that you've thrown on the table and

636
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:06,960
please go back to which are what you

637
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:08,010
were talking about before because I

638
00:28:11,270 --> 00:28:09,450
don't want to totally take you off that

639
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:11,280
point but you another thing that you

640
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:13,050
said that I think it's really kind of

641
00:28:19,340 --> 00:28:17,010
when we get to it I'm sorry gear that

642
00:28:23,770 --> 00:28:19,350
really struck me and stayed with me is

643
00:28:26,750 --> 00:28:23,780
the idea that if you look at the counter

644
00:28:29,030 --> 00:28:26,760
hypothesis a little bit so if you take

645
00:28:30,770 --> 00:28:29,040
and accept that we're in disclosure mode

646
00:28:33,170 --> 00:28:30,780
I mean I still after beep at every

647
00:28:35,750 --> 00:28:33,180
freaking show I think it's like folks it

648
00:28:38,630 --> 00:28:35,760
was in the New York Times it was on Fox

649
00:28:41,630 --> 00:28:38,640
News it was on CBS News the Department

650
00:28:45,020 --> 00:28:41,640
of Defense has said it's okay to say we

651
00:28:46,700 --> 00:28:45,030
have videos of UFOs and if you think

652
00:28:47,930 --> 00:28:46,710
there's UFOs and you're still one of

653
00:28:50,779 --> 00:28:47,940
those people say I believe in you up

654
00:28:52,730 --> 00:28:50,789
believing et then I don't know where

655
00:28:54,860 --> 00:28:52,740
you're coming from with that but you can

656
00:28:56,990 --> 00:28:54,870
go have your own private conversation so

657
00:28:59,060 --> 00:28:57,000
that is part of the disclosure thing and

658
00:29:00,769 --> 00:28:59,070
then all these things are on the table

659
00:29:03,259 --> 00:29:00,779
so you take all the stuff you've talked

660
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:03,269
about and now the way I put it is the

661
00:29:08,090 --> 00:29:06,000
burden of proof shifts it shifts to all

662
00:29:11,090 --> 00:29:08,100
the people who don't like these ideas to

663
00:29:13,730 --> 00:29:11,100
say well but you got acknowledged et is

664
00:29:16,009 --> 00:29:13,740
there it's done so now you prove that it

665
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:16,019
isn't there and here's the little tidbit

666
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:18,330
that I wanted you to talk about because

667
00:29:25,899 --> 00:29:21,570
it just it was a drop the mic moment for

668
00:29:29,990 --> 00:29:25,909
me when you said perhaps the reason why

669
00:29:32,930 --> 00:29:30,000
this is so pressing and so such an

670
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:32,940
important time is that we have reached

671
00:29:38,450 --> 00:29:34,970
the point in our medical and biological

672
00:29:42,529 --> 00:29:38,460
technology where genetic engineering is

673
00:29:46,460 --> 00:29:42,539
a reality to us and we will discover the

674
00:29:49,159 --> 00:29:46,470
extent to which our our genetics have

675
00:29:52,970 --> 00:29:49,169
been engineered it is inevitable it

676
00:29:55,310 --> 00:29:52,980
wasn't before but in the last 10 20 30

677
00:29:57,230 --> 00:29:55,320
years its Mouse and some of the stuff

678
00:29:58,730 --> 00:29:57,240
that you throw out you know Francis

679
00:30:00,950 --> 00:29:58,740
Crick and the rest this if people have

680
00:30:03,049 --> 00:30:00,960
speculated it and now we can go in and

681
00:30:05,419 --> 00:30:03,059
we can do the CRISPR gene splicing and

682
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:05,429
we can look at China and say no no don't

683
00:30:10,820 --> 00:30:08,250
do what you just did we are there so

684
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:10,830
anyone who is also part of non-human

685
00:30:15,909 --> 00:30:12,690
intelligence who's part of this genetic

686
00:30:18,289 --> 00:30:15,919
engineering is gonna go okay the gigs up

687
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:18,299
they're gonna understand at least to a

688
00:30:22,879 --> 00:30:21,090
certain extent what we're doing so we

689
00:30:24,889 --> 00:30:22,889
gotta kind of shift strategies or

690
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:24,899
something along those lines do you want

691
00:30:30,409 --> 00:30:28,320
to comment on that at all I mean I think

692
00:30:33,830 --> 00:30:30,419
it's really important for people to get

693
00:30:37,070 --> 00:30:33,840
the baseline of why I have this

694
00:30:39,769 --> 00:30:37,080
hypothesis and it's because as a former

695
00:30:42,769 --> 00:30:39,779
nurse and midwife I want that the DNA is

696
00:30:44,690 --> 00:30:42,779
that is the key to why they're

697
00:30:47,930 --> 00:30:44,700
interested in us in the first place and

698
00:30:50,330 --> 00:30:47,940
that is because we know anyway that we

699
00:30:52,369 --> 00:30:50,340
went from cro-magnon and the and earth

700
00:30:54,769 --> 00:30:52,379
all and there was the missing link and

701
00:30:58,999 --> 00:30:54,779
all of a sudden Homo sapiens sapiens

702
00:31:01,340 --> 00:30:59,009
appeared with twice the brain size 223

703
00:31:01,700 --> 00:31:01,350
genes that were a sideways insertion of

704
00:31:04,460 --> 00:31:01,710
Jeanette

705
00:31:06,889 --> 00:31:04,470
material nobody can explain and

706
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:06,899
interestingly I met a scientist

707
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:09,690
geneticist when I was in South Australia

708
00:31:14,060 --> 00:31:12,240
some years ago who worked with dr.

709
00:31:18,169 --> 00:31:14,070
Francis Crick who was co-founder of the

710
00:31:21,289 --> 00:31:18,179
DNA molecule and he said marry those 223

711
00:31:25,399 --> 00:31:21,299
genes do not exist in any other species

712
00:31:28,010 --> 00:31:25,409
on this planet just Homo sapiens sapiens

713
00:31:30,889 --> 00:31:28,020
and we're talking about twice the brain

714
00:31:33,260 --> 00:31:30,899
size all to do with higher psychological

715
00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:33,270
functioning right so there's your

716
00:31:37,490 --> 00:31:34,710
baseline you get Whistleblower

717
00:31:40,669 --> 00:31:37,500
geneticists that are saying the evidence

718
00:31:44,330 --> 00:31:40,679
of us being spliced is there that we

719
00:31:46,399 --> 00:31:44,340
have been engineered so then you get dr.

720
00:31:48,620 --> 00:31:46,409
Francis Crick who always said that he

721
00:31:52,100 --> 00:31:48,630
believed that we were intelligently

722
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:52,110
designed saying they programmed into our

723
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:54,720
DNA that when we got to a certain level

724
00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:57,450
of awareness and I'm putting stroke

725
00:32:04,100 --> 00:32:00,480
technology we would then discover who we

726
00:32:07,010 --> 00:32:04,110
are people may not know that in one gram

727
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:07,020
of DNA everything that's on the internet

728
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:08,730
right now would fit into that one gram

729
00:32:15,470 --> 00:32:12,720
of DNA we have encoded I believe in our

730
00:32:18,409 --> 00:32:15,480
DNA everything we need to know and we

731
00:32:20,090 --> 00:32:18,419
are discovering that as it gets activate

732
00:32:23,450 --> 00:32:20,100
and that's another story about them

733
00:32:27,310 --> 00:32:23,460
getting us advancing as a species but

734
00:32:31,220 --> 00:32:27,320
the bottom line is that we've we have

735
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:31,230
DNA that nobody can explain in terms of

736
00:32:36,289 --> 00:32:32,970
it's called dormant DNA they used to

737
00:32:37,580 --> 00:32:36,299
call it junk DNA they have got no clue

738
00:32:40,159 --> 00:32:37,590
what it's there for

739
00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:40,169
so you've got this whole mystery and

740
00:32:45,950 --> 00:32:43,049
we've got 95 percent 90 to 95 percent

741
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:45,960
junk DNA what is the junk you know does

742
00:32:52,279 --> 00:32:48,450
nature do anything without a reason I

743
00:32:54,529 --> 00:32:52,289
don't think so so what is it and because

744
00:32:57,230 --> 00:32:54,539
what's happening now and that leads into

745
00:32:59,180 --> 00:32:57,240
the whole thing about people starting to

746
00:33:01,610 --> 00:32:59,190
feel they're from somewhere else and

747
00:33:04,159 --> 00:33:01,620
that's a whole new story I can go into

748
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:04,169
why do they because I believe they're

749
00:33:09,139 --> 00:33:06,240
being activated and when you say why now

750
00:33:11,690 --> 00:33:09,149
well I'll tell you what I think now is

751
00:33:14,629 --> 00:33:11,700
because we've reached a certain level of

752
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:14,639
technology and these intelligences which

753
00:33:17,730 --> 00:33:15,610
I believe

754
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:17,740
of our ancestry or our ancestors are

755
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:18,850
saying hold on a minute

756
00:33:25,410 --> 00:33:22,960
our little sibling our little prodigy

757
00:33:27,750 --> 00:33:25,420
down there are getting a bit too cheeky

758
00:33:29,730 --> 00:33:27,760
you know they're starting to create

759
00:33:31,700 --> 00:33:29,740
technology that could destroy them you

760
00:33:34,230 --> 00:33:31,710
know the silly little monkeys you know

761
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:34,240
we've got to do something about this and

762
00:33:39,390 --> 00:33:36,730
that is why I believe there's this big

763
00:33:41,910 --> 00:33:39,400
push to upgrade humanity and we're

764
00:33:43,710 --> 00:33:41,920
seeing evidence of this even more and

765
00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:43,720
more now over the last few generations

766
00:33:49,890 --> 00:33:47,710
of children who are exhibiting this

767
00:33:51,990 --> 00:33:49,900
multi-dimensional awareness and are

768
00:33:53,970 --> 00:33:52,000
coming in with it where they're telling

769
00:33:55,500 --> 00:33:53,980
you what planet they're from they're

770
00:33:57,180 --> 00:33:55,510
telling you why they've come in what

771
00:33:59,159 --> 00:33:57,190
their abilities are and what how they're

772
00:34:02,280 --> 00:33:59,169
going to help the planet when you've got

773
00:34:04,260 --> 00:34:02,290
this kind of awareness in a 6 7 8 9 year

774
00:34:05,490 --> 00:34:04,270
old child you're having to say well

775
00:34:07,710 --> 00:34:05,500
there's certainly an upgrade on the

776
00:34:12,359 --> 00:34:07,720
older models like me we still have a

777
00:34:15,300 --> 00:34:12,369
sleep so the bottom line for me is that

778
00:34:17,340 --> 00:34:15,310
is what I'm seeing and and the other

779
00:34:20,970 --> 00:34:17,350
thing that I want to say the people is

780
00:34:23,879 --> 00:34:20,980
why would they create what appears to be

781
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:23,889
dysfunctional children unless there is a

782
00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:26,290
reason behind it and then when you look

783
00:34:30,750 --> 00:34:28,720
at one of the things we know is the

784
00:34:33,300 --> 00:34:30,760
reason many of us deny our

785
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:33,310
multi-dimensional cells deny our psychic

786
00:34:37,859 --> 00:34:35,919
abilities our awareness our intuition we

787
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:37,869
all have it why do we do it because

788
00:34:42,810 --> 00:34:40,570
we're programmed to not believe in it

789
00:34:44,790 --> 00:34:42,820
we're programmed to tell us it's not

790
00:34:46,830 --> 00:34:44,800
real psychology says as soon as you

791
00:34:51,720 --> 00:34:46,840
start hearing stuff you are on the road

792
00:34:53,790 --> 00:34:51,730
to craziness though aren't we this is

793
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:53,800
this is the program this is what

794
00:34:58,920 --> 00:34:56,169
mainstream psychology says you can't

795
00:35:01,950 --> 00:34:58,930
feel sense energies you can't see

796
00:35:04,830 --> 00:35:01,960
spirits you can't feel and sensor know

797
00:35:06,750 --> 00:35:04,840
stuff from the future precognition you

798
00:35:08,460 --> 00:35:06,760
can't do this because it's not normal

799
00:35:11,580 --> 00:35:08,470
our psychology says there's something

800
00:35:13,470 --> 00:35:11,590
wrong with you so what needs to happen a

801
00:35:15,990 --> 00:35:13,480
different kind of programming well if

802
00:35:18,540 --> 00:35:16,000
you are wired differently you're not so

803
00:35:20,940 --> 00:35:18,550
easily programmable are you that's what

804
00:35:22,650 --> 00:35:20,950
do they do with ADHD they stick them

805
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:22,660
full of ritalin to slow them down so

806
00:35:26,910 --> 00:35:25,210
they can be programmed when in fact we

807
00:35:28,020 --> 00:35:26,920
should be realizing they're an upgrade

808
00:35:30,300 --> 00:35:28,030
of human

809
00:35:32,300 --> 00:35:30,310
where that is not relevant programming

810
00:35:35,070 --> 00:35:32,310
to them because they are already

811
00:35:37,230 --> 00:35:35,080
operating multi-dimensionally and they

812
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:37,240
will tell you so if they feel safe

813
00:35:43,740 --> 00:35:41,170
enough with you to tell you there's a

814
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:43,750
whole bunch of topics related to that

815
00:35:48,060 --> 00:35:46,090
that you've touched on and we've touched

816
00:35:51,060 --> 00:35:48,070
on parapsychology is beginning to look

817
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:51,070
at that in terms of ESP abilities and

818
00:35:56,100 --> 00:35:53,650
and that kind of stuff but I want to

819
00:35:59,490 --> 00:35:56,110
leave open the space and time to go to

820
00:36:01,710 --> 00:35:59,500
different topics so I did say I would

821
00:36:05,460 --> 00:36:01,720
let you pick and I picked up don't also

822
00:36:10,590 --> 00:36:05,470
very would you might like to go next on

823
00:36:12,990 --> 00:36:10,600
our Jeopardy board there oh look what I

824
00:36:14,730 --> 00:36:13,000
mean I will give you some some of the

825
00:36:17,460 --> 00:36:14,740
cases that have been very profound

826
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:17,470
recently because the one thing that's

827
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:19,690
come up and you mentioned dr. Jacobs for

828
00:36:25,950 --> 00:36:22,770
example and okay so if we're changing

829
00:36:28,860 --> 00:36:25,960
and these children are different are

830
00:36:32,100 --> 00:36:28,870
they a threat you know IFIF threat to

831
00:36:34,290 --> 00:36:32,110
humanity people talk about hybrids well

832
00:36:35,970 --> 00:36:34,300
some of these people not just the

833
00:36:40,170 --> 00:36:35,980
children are mentioning to me they're

834
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:40,180
hybrids one is a one particular case

835
00:36:45,540 --> 00:36:43,330
it's a 16 year old Spanish girl who said

836
00:36:49,770 --> 00:36:45,550
that when she reached 15 she had this

837
00:36:52,650 --> 00:36:49,780
encoded in a DNA and as this was encoded

838
00:36:54,990 --> 00:36:52,660
it actually became she became aware of

839
00:36:57,450 --> 00:36:55,000
it at 15 she was a star kid she was a

840
00:37:00,060 --> 00:36:57,460
hybrid she said there are many types of

841
00:37:02,190 --> 00:37:00,070
hybrids that in fact were all hybrids

842
00:37:05,610 --> 00:37:02,200
anyway you know that's that's a rare as

843
00:37:08,580 --> 00:37:05,620
far as I'm concerned but we're talking

844
00:37:12,570 --> 00:37:08,590
about different programs of hybrid and

845
00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:12,580
some of them are less aware than others

846
00:37:16,890 --> 00:37:14,560
depending on the program that they are I

847
00:37:18,780 --> 00:37:16,900
believe ADHD is one program I believe

848
00:37:21,060 --> 00:37:18,790
those with Asperger's are another

849
00:37:23,580 --> 00:37:21,070
program those are dyslexic another

850
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:23,590
program people who are very empathic is

851
00:37:28,770 --> 00:37:25,920
another program because we're needing

852
00:37:30,930 --> 00:37:28,780
different programs for what's going on

853
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:30,940
in this planet but are they taking over

854
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:32,530
well we've already taken over the planet

855
00:37:37,170 --> 00:37:34,570
because we've taken it over pre I breads

856
00:37:39,420 --> 00:37:37,180
so you know what's what's the big deal

857
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:39,430
what is different though well hold on

858
00:37:41,370 --> 00:37:40,930
because I think there is an important

859
00:37:43,350 --> 00:37:41,380
question

860
00:37:44,430 --> 00:37:43,360
there that a lot of people have and I

861
00:37:48,870 --> 00:37:44,440
think it's a very legitimate question

862
00:37:50,970 --> 00:37:48,880
because one of the views on this and

863
00:37:52,140 --> 00:37:50,980
it's supported by you know I just

864
00:37:55,470 --> 00:37:52,150
interviewed I think I'm in the last

865
00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:55,480
episode as these come out dr. Courtney

866
00:38:01,410 --> 00:37:57,520
Brown who is famous for remote viewing

867
00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:01,420
and has done some rather extensive and I

868
00:38:06,030 --> 00:38:03,280
have to say impressive remote viewing

869
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:06,040
projects looking at different kinds of

870
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:08,410
contact experiments and one thing that I

871
00:38:14,070 --> 00:38:10,210
think that he says that really resonates

872
00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:14,080
with me is the multiple agendas and he

873
00:38:17,220 --> 00:38:15,520
says you know why is it that we're

874
00:38:19,710 --> 00:38:17,230
totally comfortable with the idea that

875
00:38:22,290 --> 00:38:19,720
we're going to work with China but we

876
00:38:24,510 --> 00:38:22,300
realized that China has a different

877
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:24,520
agenda and then further we realize that

878
00:38:28,710 --> 00:38:26,530
there are different groups within China

879
00:38:30,180 --> 00:38:28,720
that have a different agenda and those

880
00:38:32,100 --> 00:38:30,190
different groups within America that

881
00:38:35,130 --> 00:38:32,110
have a different agenda and Australia in

882
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:35,140
that somehow sometimes when we talk

883
00:38:40,170 --> 00:38:38,170
about non-human intelligence and et

884
00:38:43,830 --> 00:38:40,180
contact we immediately shift into this

885
00:38:46,590 --> 00:38:43,840
mode of this total unified agenda that

886
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:46,600
doesn't seem to be the history there

887
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:49,930
seems to be a lot of pretty violent

888
00:38:55,710 --> 00:38:53,530
activity in that past of aliens

889
00:38:57,060 --> 00:38:55,720
contacting each other and we gotta

890
00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:57,070
believe that some of that is still going

891
00:39:01,730 --> 00:38:58,720
on and then we have the whole

892
00:39:03,630 --> 00:39:01,740
interaction they have with some of our

893
00:39:05,370 --> 00:39:03,640
intelligence organizations and

894
00:39:07,110 --> 00:39:05,380
intelligence organization so that I

895
00:39:08,930 --> 00:39:07,120
don't want to go too far afield there

896
00:39:11,850 --> 00:39:08,940
but you get what I'm saying I mean

897
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:11,860
multiple multiple agendas multiple

898
00:39:16,170 --> 00:39:14,050
multiple visitors visitors with

899
00:39:18,750 --> 00:39:16,180
different levels of Technology and you

900
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:18,760
you put that into some complex matrix

901
00:39:26,790 --> 00:39:22,560
and gosh how how do you sort through all

902
00:39:31,860 --> 00:39:26,800
or the one thing that I've tried never

903
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:31,870
to do is interpret because I am fully

904
00:39:38,490 --> 00:39:34,930
aware that I'm looking at something that

905
00:39:40,940 --> 00:39:38,500
is multi dimensional multi complex we're

906
00:39:42,900 --> 00:39:40,950
talking not just about physical

907
00:39:45,060 --> 00:39:42,910
extraterrestrial beings we're talking

908
00:39:47,940 --> 00:39:45,070
about interdimensional intelligences

909
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:47,950
extra dimensional transdimensional

910
00:39:53,340 --> 00:39:50,800
beings from our future and possibly

911
00:39:55,109 --> 00:39:53,350
others I don't have a clue about as far

912
00:39:57,779 --> 00:39:55,119
as I know so

913
00:40:00,209 --> 00:39:57,789
when you're saying there's multiple and

914
00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:00,219
complex programs and for sure there is

915
00:40:06,809 --> 00:40:03,930
without question all I can do is when I

916
00:40:09,299 --> 00:40:06,819
are talking to individuals having these

917
00:40:11,969 --> 00:40:09,309
experiences I'm hearing what they say

918
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:11,979
about themselves and how they understand

919
00:40:17,069 --> 00:40:13,930
themselves and what I'm discovering is

920
00:40:18,959 --> 00:40:17,079
many of them have awareness they've come

921
00:40:21,749 --> 00:40:18,969
from another planet

922
00:40:23,339 --> 00:40:21,759
another solar system another dimension

923
00:40:25,979 --> 00:40:23,349
year 10 year old saying he's come

924
00:40:29,609 --> 00:40:25,989
through a portal in the Sun you hear

925
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:29,619
them say I was one one ten year old

926
00:40:35,309 --> 00:40:32,170
recently said to me I was a will of the

927
00:40:37,859 --> 00:40:35,319
wisp a spirit I saw the life that I

928
00:40:40,380 --> 00:40:37,869
wanted on this planet and then I found

929
00:40:43,079 --> 00:40:40,390
myself in mummys tummy so that was how

930
00:40:45,390 --> 00:40:43,089
he talked about incarnating into the

931
00:40:47,819 --> 00:40:45,400
human form I've come here with these

932
00:40:50,099 --> 00:40:47,829
this awareness I've come here and this

933
00:40:52,410 --> 00:40:50,109
is my job this is my mission coming here

934
00:40:54,839 --> 00:40:52,420
he's fully aware of his connection to

935
00:40:58,440 --> 00:40:54,849
these intelligences some of them are

936
00:41:01,109 --> 00:40:58,450
very physical to him and some of them he

937
00:41:03,479 --> 00:41:01,119
just sees maybe as energy or is aware of

938
00:41:06,749 --> 00:41:03,489
them as just light or whatever my point

939
00:41:08,670 --> 00:41:06,759
is that yes just like we've got many

940
00:41:11,089 --> 00:41:08,680
agendas on this planet for different

941
00:41:13,469 --> 00:41:11,099
things we've you know these

942
00:41:17,430 --> 00:41:13,479
intelligences are depending on their

943
00:41:19,739 --> 00:41:17,440
level of benevolence I suppose is a good

944
00:41:21,900 --> 00:41:19,749
word to put it and how less you know the

945
00:41:23,940 --> 00:41:21,910
ones that are less self-serving every

946
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:23,950
single one of them will have their own

947
00:41:30,450 --> 00:41:27,359
agenda but we do see a collaboration

948
00:41:33,509 --> 00:41:30,460
with a number of those intelligences for

949
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:33,519
certain objectives for example when an

950
00:41:37,229 --> 00:41:35,650
the eight-year-old told me she'd been

951
00:41:39,900 --> 00:41:37,239
taken to a planet to learn how to

952
00:41:42,859 --> 00:41:39,910
levitate and use her psychic abilities

953
00:41:46,190 --> 00:41:42,869
they also showed her how they did

954
00:41:48,989 --> 00:41:46,200
different they interbred various species

955
00:41:51,180 --> 00:41:48,999
for different planets as they seeded

956
00:41:54,469 --> 00:41:51,190
other planets for example as part of one

957
00:41:58,559 --> 00:41:54,479
of the bigger genetic agendas both

958
00:42:00,479 --> 00:41:58,569
humans both animals both plants all of

959
00:42:02,700 --> 00:42:00,489
this was shown to her another lady

960
00:42:05,339 --> 00:42:02,710
showed and told me that the mantis

961
00:42:07,740 --> 00:42:05,349
beings are master geneticists they

962
00:42:10,430 --> 00:42:07,750
basically are the ones that oversee

963
00:42:13,530 --> 00:42:10,440
most of the genetic programs for example

964
00:42:15,300 --> 00:42:13,540
so I don't know whether that's true all

965
00:42:16,740 --> 00:42:15,310
I know is if enough people are telling

966
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:16,750
me the same thing about their

967
00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:19,330
understanding of particular species then

968
00:42:23,790 --> 00:42:22,000
it you know it has veracity because

969
00:42:25,740 --> 00:42:23,800
that's all I can go on I don't know what

970
00:42:27,450 --> 00:42:25,750
the government knows behind the scenes

971
00:42:29,730 --> 00:42:27,460
and it would be nice to know what

972
00:42:31,950 --> 00:42:29,740
they're hiding from the rest of us but

973
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:31,960
at the bottom line is for me my daughter

974
00:42:37,700 --> 00:42:34,810
comes from those that come to me and

975
00:42:41,930 --> 00:42:37,710
some of this will be conscious recall

976
00:42:45,420 --> 00:42:41,940
and some of it may come through hypnosis

977
00:42:47,550 --> 00:42:45,430
and I can go into the methodology of

978
00:42:50,220 --> 00:42:47,560
hypnosis and why I think it's extremely

979
00:42:52,500 --> 00:42:50,230
valuable if you want me to I'd love that

980
00:42:55,260 --> 00:42:52,510
but it's it's probably in the interest

981
00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:55,270
of time that's I think we hit that I

982
00:43:01,800 --> 00:42:58,210
mean anyone who doesn't believe you're

983
00:43:03,390 --> 00:43:01,810
legit and that we should it be you're

984
00:43:05,250 --> 00:43:03,400
just so open about it I mean that's

985
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:05,260
pound in the desk saying you know you

986
00:43:08,700 --> 00:43:06,730
have to believe this or you have to

987
00:43:11,099 --> 00:43:08,710
believe that I love the way you're

988
00:43:14,339 --> 00:43:11,109
sharing it that topics covered pick

989
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:14,349
another category from the board there

990
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:17,920
and let's have some fun goodness me all

991
00:43:24,900 --> 00:43:20,170
right let's look at stranger things that

992
00:43:27,410 --> 00:43:24,910
is you know I know the program which has

993
00:43:31,650 --> 00:43:27,420
come up and I find it fascinating

994
00:43:34,140 --> 00:43:31,660
because our a number of levels one of

995
00:43:38,370 --> 00:43:34,150
the things that I do know and I think it

996
00:43:41,370 --> 00:43:38,380
illustrates in that story is that behind

997
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:41,380
the scenes darker projects have been

998
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:44,530
exploring the abilities of humans in

999
00:43:51,570 --> 00:43:47,890
terms of particularly children right yes

1000
00:43:53,910 --> 00:43:51,580
and I'm gonna say something that's going

1001
00:43:57,359 --> 00:43:53,920
to feel quite dark for some people but

1002
00:44:00,000 --> 00:43:57,369
the reality is these children many of

1003
00:44:03,450 --> 00:44:00,010
many of them know about these programs

1004
00:44:06,390 --> 00:44:03,460
because they've experienced it okay I

1005
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:06,400
also I remember this young nine-year-old

1006
00:44:11,790 --> 00:44:10,000
explaining to me who know he knew he was

1007
00:44:14,099 --> 00:44:11,800
from the planet Orion he knew he was a

1008
00:44:14,730 --> 00:44:14,109
light physicist working on time travel

1009
00:44:17,310 --> 00:44:14,740
technology

1010
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:17,320
he also said Mary I've been taken to one

1011
00:44:21,390 --> 00:44:19,570
of these underground bases and he

1012
00:44:23,550 --> 00:44:21,400
described in detail

1013
00:44:27,330 --> 00:44:23,560
how we'd been put in a chair with a

1014
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:27,340
woman in a what seemed like a military

1015
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:30,490
uniform in front of him he said she had

1016
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:33,490
technology to one side of her and what

1017
00:44:38,340 --> 00:44:35,410
she was doing was trying to lower my

1018
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:38,350
frequency so she could take what I knew

1019
00:44:45,210 --> 00:44:41,770
but also put stuff that she wanted into

1020
00:44:47,850 --> 00:44:45,220
my consciousness and he said I'm aware

1021
00:44:50,940 --> 00:44:47,860
of what she was doing and because I kept

1022
00:44:53,550 --> 00:44:50,950
my frequency higher most of the time she

1023
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:53,560
didn't succeed but he said I know there

1024
00:44:58,860 --> 00:44:56,410
are a lot of kids like me that are being

1025
00:45:01,440 --> 00:44:58,870
picked up and this is happening to them

1026
00:45:04,130 --> 00:45:01,450
one of the gentlemen that told me in

1027
00:45:06,630 --> 00:45:04,140
Sydney he'd been part of that program

1028
00:45:08,940 --> 00:45:06,640
he's now in his you know in his middle

1029
00:45:10,980 --> 00:45:08,950
years and had the flashback saying Mary

1030
00:45:13,590 --> 00:45:10,990
they were teaching us how to use our

1031
00:45:15,690 --> 00:45:13,600
psychic abilities including how to walk

1032
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:15,700
through solid objects was one of the

1033
00:45:21,150 --> 00:45:18,370
things he explained because they know

1034
00:45:25,170 --> 00:45:21,160
what we can do and they know that it's a

1035
00:45:27,900 --> 00:45:25,180
potential for Humanity and they want to

1036
00:45:31,020 --> 00:45:27,910
be ahead of the game this is being done

1037
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:31,030
in China China super psychics they are

1038
00:45:35,580 --> 00:45:33,040
studying these children that can

1039
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:35,590
teleport things that can change the very

1040
00:45:39,150 --> 00:45:36,610
nature of DNA

1041
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:39,160
it's called China super psychics by Paul

1042
00:45:45,810 --> 00:45:42,970
dong written in the 1980s we've got them

1043
00:45:48,180 --> 00:45:45,820
in Russia there's they are way ahead of

1044
00:45:51,090 --> 00:45:48,190
us in parapsychology working with

1045
00:45:54,420 --> 00:45:51,100
children and what they can do already

1046
00:45:57,180 --> 00:45:54,430
we've got evidence with training

1047
00:45:59,250 --> 00:45:57,190
children even over a few days how they

1048
00:46:02,370 --> 00:45:59,260
can see beyond their physical sight and

1049
00:46:04,140 --> 00:46:02,380
it's called extraocular vision and I

1050
00:46:07,790 --> 00:46:04,150
know a couple of ladies teaching it to

1051
00:46:11,010 --> 00:46:07,800
children from six to twelve and one lady

1052
00:46:13,230 --> 00:46:11,020
karen osborne came to agnes and there

1053
00:46:16,590 --> 00:46:13,240
was a few families that learnt it and

1054
00:46:18,420 --> 00:46:16,600
i've got video of a eight or nine year

1055
00:46:22,410 --> 00:46:18,430
old little girl after a few lessons

1056
00:46:23,700 --> 00:46:22,420
literally coloring with these goggles on

1057
00:46:25,710 --> 00:46:23,710
so you couldn't see anything she was

1058
00:46:27,990 --> 00:46:25,720
literally coloring in detail then

1059
00:46:30,570 --> 00:46:28,000
reading in detail and that was just in a

1060
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:30,580
few lessons over a weekend so this is

1061
00:46:34,589 --> 00:46:32,890
our potential but the children already

1062
00:46:37,609 --> 00:46:34,599
showing us even

1063
00:46:44,579 --> 00:46:37,619
this limited way what they're capable of

1064
00:46:48,299 --> 00:46:44,589
okay we're next well we've talked about

1065
00:46:49,859 --> 00:46:48,309
the star children and the hybrids I want

1066
00:46:51,930 --> 00:46:49,869
to tell you another little bit about

1067
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:51,940
that because I'm putting together a

1068
00:46:57,210 --> 00:46:53,890
PowerPoint presentation they're not only

1069
00:46:59,729 --> 00:46:57,220
takes human children but it also takes

1070
00:47:02,120 --> 00:46:59,739
in the parents that are where they've

1071
00:47:05,039 --> 00:47:02,130
got hybrid children on board craft and

1072
00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:05,049
I'm actually going into detail because

1073
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:07,569
I'm going to Brazil and this is a lady

1074
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:11,440
in Brazil that contacted me she it was a

1075
00:47:16,859 --> 00:47:15,249
former air hostess and she said I

1076
00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:16,869
couldn't really talk about this to

1077
00:47:21,660 --> 00:47:18,880
ufologist she said and you're the only

1078
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:21,670
one I feel I can talk to she said when I

1079
00:47:27,329 --> 00:47:24,970
was an air hostess I went in to go to

1080
00:47:30,359 --> 00:47:27,339
breakfast and she said I saw this little

1081
00:47:33,660 --> 00:47:30,369
girl standing in the hallway and I

1082
00:47:35,729 --> 00:47:33,670
thought to myself oh she's lost I wonder

1083
00:47:37,739 --> 00:47:35,739
where her mother is and as she's

1084
00:47:39,539 --> 00:47:37,749
thinking this she says this to the

1085
00:47:41,999 --> 00:47:39,549
little girl the little girl turns round

1086
00:47:45,359 --> 00:47:42,009
and she realizes although she looks

1087
00:47:49,170 --> 00:47:45,369
humanoid she's got this strange face and

1088
00:47:52,079 --> 00:47:49,180
she plainly isn't human she said I was

1089
00:47:55,380 --> 00:47:52,089
so scared that I ran away thinking she's

1090
00:47:59,309 --> 00:47:55,390
a monster and went and and probably

1091
00:48:01,499 --> 00:47:59,319
tried to forget it from that time she's

1092
00:48:04,170 --> 00:48:01,509
been up on board craft consciously

1093
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:04,180
remembers seeing this little girl who's

1094
00:48:08,549 --> 00:48:07,690
part human part feline and realizes

1095
00:48:11,459 --> 00:48:08,559
that's her daughter

1096
00:48:15,380 --> 00:48:11,469
and in fact she's got several others

1097
00:48:17,789 --> 00:48:15,390
like this feline child on board craft

1098
00:48:20,190 --> 00:48:17,799
now there are two things that go with

1099
00:48:24,269 --> 00:48:20,200
that one is as a child she remembers his

1100
00:48:26,670 --> 00:48:24,279
tall being that looks feline almost had

1101
00:48:29,430 --> 00:48:26,680
a mother feeling about her and felt very

1102
00:48:32,489 --> 00:48:29,440
safe with her then she sees this little

1103
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:32,499
girl on board craft but the thing that

1104
00:48:40,829 --> 00:48:36,130
blew me away was she said I've been on

1105
00:48:43,529 --> 00:48:40,839
board craft where my human daughter has

1106
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:43,539
been there playing with her sibling

1107
00:48:48,590 --> 00:48:46,690
hybrid so they're actually having an

1108
00:48:52,250 --> 00:48:48,600
interaction her human daughter

1109
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:52,260
now it gets even more more bizarre

1110
00:48:57,860 --> 00:48:55,650
because recently she said I got in my

1111
00:49:00,200 --> 00:48:57,870
head that my six-year-old or she's got

1112
00:49:03,110 --> 00:49:00,210
other children my six-year-old daughter

1113
00:49:04,940 --> 00:49:03,120
is a hybrid and I just kept getting this

1114
00:49:07,940 --> 00:49:04,950
in my head that my daughters are hybrid

1115
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:07,950
and she said and within a few days later

1116
00:49:13,010 --> 00:49:10,050
my husband woke me up at 4:00 in the

1117
00:49:15,140 --> 00:49:13,020
morning and out of the blue said you

1118
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:15,150
know our daughters are hybrid don't you

1119
00:49:22,730 --> 00:49:20,640
she's a mantis and right now you make

1120
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:22,740
something of that because this you can

1121
00:49:26,930 --> 00:49:25,050
imagine that she had it confirmed she's

1122
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:26,940
my daughter does have six toes on one

1123
00:49:33,170 --> 00:49:29,970
foot she said but she's she is human

1124
00:49:35,570 --> 00:49:33,180
looking but she's remembering that she's

1125
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:35,580
had these missing pregnancies where

1126
00:49:39,650 --> 00:49:37,440
she's been aware that she's been

1127
00:49:41,570 --> 00:49:39,660
pregnant for a short time and then

1128
00:49:44,210 --> 00:49:41,580
there's no pregnancy and this is such a

1129
00:49:46,010 --> 00:49:44,220
common thing with people who are having

1130
00:49:47,620 --> 00:49:46,020
encounters and I wrote a whole chapter

1131
00:49:50,180 --> 00:49:47,630
on missing pregnancies in Awakening

1132
00:49:53,060 --> 00:49:50,190
where they felt pregnant for a month

1133
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:53,070
maybe sometimes two then all of a sudden

1134
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:55,170
they feel this grief and this loss and

1135
00:50:00,290 --> 00:49:57,930
there's no pregnancy but they may

1136
00:50:03,650 --> 00:50:00,300
afterwards be taken up on board craft

1137
00:50:05,690 --> 00:50:03,660
and introduced to their hybrid children

1138
00:50:09,020 --> 00:50:05,700
where they'll feel this sense of love

1139
00:50:11,540 --> 00:50:09,030
and connection and part of that they are

1140
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:11,550
understanding is that these hybrids need

1141
00:50:17,690 --> 00:50:14,730
human love as well as part for their

1142
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:17,700
health if you like this is so common

1143
00:50:23,810 --> 00:50:20,970
Alex this is not the odd one here and

1144
00:50:27,020 --> 00:50:23,820
there I'm giving you a more extreme case

1145
00:50:30,050 --> 00:50:27,030
but this is something that is being

1146
00:50:32,180 --> 00:50:30,060
experienced by many hundreds of women

1147
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:32,190
that I've spoken to and of course they

1148
00:50:35,870 --> 00:50:34,050
they've even had women that have been

1149
00:50:37,940 --> 00:50:35,880
told they can't have human children

1150
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:37,950
they've gone to the doctor and the

1151
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:39,690
doctors said to them and they've never

1152
00:50:43,250 --> 00:50:41,280
had a you know they've never had a

1153
00:50:45,050 --> 00:50:43,260
pregnancy date you know they was a lot

1154
00:50:47,810 --> 00:50:45,060
of them have never had any intimacy and

1155
00:50:49,580 --> 00:50:47,820
the doctor said to them where the scars

1156
00:50:52,010 --> 00:50:49,590
is seen is how many children have you

1157
00:50:55,850 --> 00:50:52,020
had and they've not had any children at

1158
00:50:59,320 --> 00:50:55,860
all well this is kind of a great point

1159
00:51:01,790 --> 00:50:59,330
to pause for a second because you know I

1160
00:51:02,310 --> 00:51:01,800
let off this interview by saying it's

1161
00:51:05,220 --> 00:51:02,320
just

1162
00:51:07,230 --> 00:51:05,230
really challenging for people and we

1163
00:51:09,900 --> 00:51:07,240
tiptoed our way in but now people are

1164
00:51:12,750 --> 00:51:09,910
going to know what I mean what do you do

1165
00:51:15,270 --> 00:51:12,760
with these accounts if you're listening

1166
00:51:17,250 --> 00:51:15,280
to this what do you do with this person

1167
00:51:19,980 --> 00:51:17,260
who's in front of you Mary Robert we

1168
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:19,990
just told you her methodology we've told

1169
00:51:24,030 --> 00:51:22,090
you how she's sought out she's been the

1170
00:51:27,030 --> 00:51:24,040
one to seek out science seek out

1171
00:51:29,060 --> 00:51:27,040
academic understanding of what she's

1172
00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:29,070
just encountered just in her work and

1173
00:51:37,140 --> 00:51:33,250
yet this is just so so hard to take and

1174
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:37,150
let me pick a category here because I do

1175
00:51:43,290 --> 00:51:40,690
appreciate that this is hard on a number

1176
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:43,300
of levels for the average person but

1177
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:45,490
what always kind of surprises me is when

1178
00:51:51,930 --> 00:51:48,450
people with inside the UFO community

1179
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:51,940
seem to really really struggle with this

1180
00:51:56,580 --> 00:51:54,850
topic and I think Richard Dolan is

1181
00:51:58,320 --> 00:51:56,590
fantastic and I haven't had a chance to

1182
00:52:01,560 --> 00:51:58,330
have him on the show and I'd like to at

1183
00:52:03,330 --> 00:52:01,570
some point and his wife Tracy seems like

1184
00:52:04,850 --> 00:52:03,340
a delightful person as well again I have

1185
00:52:09,150 --> 00:52:04,860
not met either one of them

1186
00:52:12,450 --> 00:52:09,160
Tracy Dolan has had numerous contact

1187
00:52:14,610 --> 00:52:12,460
experiences and she associates them with

1188
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:14,620
abduction experiences very negative

1189
00:52:18,870 --> 00:52:16,930
experiences so that's okay that's her

1190
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:18,880
experience and there are you know it's

1191
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:22,210
not all it's not all rainbows and

1192
00:52:28,020 --> 00:52:25,810
unicorns and in happiness there are a

1193
00:52:30,540 --> 00:52:28,030
number of people out there that hold to

1194
00:52:31,980 --> 00:52:30,550
the fact that their experience has been

1195
00:52:35,310 --> 00:52:31,990
an abduction in every sense of the word

1196
00:52:36,900 --> 00:52:35,320
and I've referenced in this talk Mary

1197
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:36,910
that we had a series of conversations

1198
00:52:43,650 --> 00:52:40,330
with David Jacobs who was kind of

1199
00:52:45,930 --> 00:52:43,660
famously along with Budd Hopkins really

1200
00:52:48,630 --> 00:52:45,940
kind of staked out that ground through

1201
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:48,640
research that we have to accept I accept

1202
00:52:53,340 --> 00:52:51,130
that they did in a genuine way and they

1203
00:52:55,530 --> 00:52:53,350
collected data and their data was hey

1204
00:53:00,270 --> 00:52:55,540
these are abductions now

1205
00:53:03,330 --> 00:53:00,280
what impresses me about what your work

1206
00:53:04,860 --> 00:53:03,340
does but I want to I want to set the

1207
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:04,870
table for people and then I want you to

1208
00:53:09,630 --> 00:53:08,410
deconstruct this because what I hear and

1209
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:09,640
I think people will hear from this

1210
00:53:14,910 --> 00:53:12,370
interview is you seem to be open to all

1211
00:53:16,050 --> 00:53:14,920
of that you seem to be open to all the

1212
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:16,060
different things that can happen

1213
00:53:20,190 --> 00:53:18,970
my lab stuff yeah people are running

1214
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:20,200
into the government they're doing all

1215
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:22,930
sorts a nasty nasty thing stranger

1216
00:53:26,910 --> 00:53:25,210
things with kids they don't care and you

1217
00:53:29,190 --> 00:53:26,920
know Whitley Strieber yeah lock them in

1218
00:53:31,020 --> 00:53:29,200
a Skinner cage and you know break them

1219
00:53:33,090 --> 00:53:31,030
up they don't care they're out there

1220
00:53:36,330 --> 00:53:33,100
doing their thing like intelligence

1221
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:36,340
agencies do so are there other bad

1222
00:53:41,580 --> 00:53:39,010
aliens evil aliens I don't think you've

1223
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:41,590
ever said that that isn't out there as

1224
00:53:47,490 --> 00:53:44,770
well so we want to talk about that the

1225
00:53:49,350 --> 00:53:47,500
good versus the bad but I also want to

1226
00:53:52,310 --> 00:53:49,360
kind of put the hammer down a little bit

1227
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:52,320
on the Richard Dolan it just really

1228
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:54,850
surprised me when I watch this video and

1229
00:53:58,590 --> 00:53:56,800
it's very popular video on YouTube and

1230
00:54:00,330 --> 00:53:58,600
he kind of said well maybe it's kind of

1231
00:54:02,190 --> 00:54:00,340
an East Coast West Coast thing you know

1232
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:02,200
I'm from New York and we kind of see the

1233
00:54:07,110 --> 00:54:05,650
tougher ETS and these other folks some

1234
00:54:08,910 --> 00:54:07,120
of these other people are from the West

1235
00:54:11,460 --> 00:54:08,920
Coast like Barbara Lam you know and they

1236
00:54:13,590 --> 00:54:11,470
see the love and light it's like I said

1237
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:13,600
where are you coming from well everyone

1238
00:54:17,790 --> 00:54:15,010
seems to be just be following the data

1239
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:17,800
it's not like some East Coast West Coast

1240
00:54:24,450 --> 00:54:21,610
blood Crips it's it's just it's just

1241
00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:24,460
data and and we gotta somehow get our

1242
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:27,280
arms around the data without in one way

1243
00:54:33,870 --> 00:54:31,090
or another being so quick to kind of

1244
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:33,880
brush it aside or explain it away and

1245
00:54:40,740 --> 00:54:37,090
that's what I see happening so often

1246
00:54:43,820 --> 00:54:40,750
among people in the UFO community so two

1247
00:54:47,460 --> 00:54:43,830
points to address one is I don't think

1248
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:47,470
Traci Dolan is making it up she's had

1249
00:54:51,660 --> 00:54:49,450
traumatic experiences that would be

1250
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:51,670
traumatic to anyone and she's pissed off

1251
00:54:56,460 --> 00:54:54,010
and she has a right to be pissed off you

1252
00:54:58,950 --> 00:54:56,470
know that's point number one but point

1253
00:55:02,670 --> 00:54:58,960
number two is the UFO community in

1254
00:55:04,860 --> 00:55:02,680
general just can't deal with et

1255
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:04,870
non-human intelligence contact it seems

1256
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:07,210
to me it's a good one and it is an

1257
00:55:12,540 --> 00:55:09,370
important one and you're quite right I

1258
00:55:16,020 --> 00:55:12,550
have never made a categoric statement

1259
00:55:19,980 --> 00:55:16,030
ever that they're either all good or all

1260
00:55:23,250 --> 00:55:19,990
bad because that's not what I'm getting

1261
00:55:25,850 --> 00:55:23,260
I can only go on the data and I have got

1262
00:55:29,300 --> 00:55:25,860
no right to make any assumptions about

1263
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:29,310
anything other than the person and there

1264
00:55:35,570 --> 00:55:31,650
variance and that is what I focus on all

1265
00:55:38,180 --> 00:55:35,580
along I suspect there are some many

1266
00:55:41,660 --> 00:55:38,190
benevolent ones and there's also very

1267
00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:41,670
likely self-serving but first of all as

1268
00:55:46,970 --> 00:55:44,250
you know this is very complex what

1269
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:46,980
people need to know is what I discovered

1270
00:55:52,010 --> 00:55:49,440
is some of the most most traumatized

1271
00:55:54,070 --> 00:55:52,020
were those that had my lab and what

1272
00:55:57,770 --> 00:55:54,080
we're talking about here is the military

1273
00:56:00,320 --> 00:55:57,780
orchestrated pseudo ET abductions they

1274
00:56:03,590 --> 00:56:00,330
like to make many of them appear to be

1275
00:56:05,900 --> 00:56:03,600
et and the reason I'm saying that is

1276
00:56:07,730 --> 00:56:05,910
because I mean and we know that dr.

1277
00:56:10,460 --> 00:56:07,740
Steven Greer has said you know a high

1278
00:56:13,580 --> 00:56:10,470
majority of abductions torment ones are

1279
00:56:15,530 --> 00:56:13,590
human orchestrated abductions and there

1280
00:56:18,530 --> 00:56:15,540
is a lot of evidence out there now niara

1281
00:56:20,900 --> 00:56:18,540
is Lee with her her book facing the

1282
00:56:23,780 --> 00:56:20,910
shadow embracing the light I did the

1283
00:56:25,580 --> 00:56:23,790
foreword for that she explained her my

1284
00:56:29,240 --> 00:56:25,590
lab experiences when she was in the

1285
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:29,250
military etc etc there are many hundreds

1286
00:56:34,190 --> 00:56:32,010
of others Misha Johnson in in Las Vegas

1287
00:56:38,690 --> 00:56:34,200
she's another one that's had my lab and

1288
00:56:41,420 --> 00:56:38,700
what is that that is when the military

1289
00:56:43,340 --> 00:56:41,430
want to know what's going on they make

1290
00:56:44,930 --> 00:56:43,350
sure they pick up people they know have

1291
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:44,940
had experiences because they want to

1292
00:56:48,830 --> 00:56:46,890
know what the ETS are doing what happens

1293
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:48,840
on the craft what kind of things what

1294
00:56:53,180 --> 00:56:50,850
kind of data what's their motivation

1295
00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:53,190
they want to make sure they're as

1296
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:55,680
informed as possible just like I do if

1297
00:56:59,180 --> 00:56:57,210
someone's had an experience what's been

1298
00:57:00,710 --> 00:56:59,190
going on they're doing the same thing

1299
00:57:02,990 --> 00:57:00,720
they're interrogating they're drugging

1300
00:57:05,150 --> 00:57:03,000
they're traumatizing they know full well

1301
00:57:07,910 --> 00:57:05,160
that most people won't believe it's

1302
00:57:10,100 --> 00:57:07,920
human orchestrated they know that what

1303
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:10,110
people also may not know is program life

1304
00:57:14,690 --> 00:57:12,810
forms we do know from a lot of the

1305
00:57:18,650 --> 00:57:14,700
research coming out from whistleblowers

1306
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:18,660
that they have generated programmed life

1307
00:57:23,450 --> 00:57:21,090
forms that look et they're not et

1308
00:57:25,730 --> 00:57:23,460
they're programmed by the military the

1309
00:57:28,430 --> 00:57:25,740
Zetas greys that are programmed

1310
00:57:31,610 --> 00:57:28,440
there are reptilians of the programmed

1311
00:57:34,580 --> 00:57:31,620
and I've discovered recently that some

1312
00:57:37,820 --> 00:57:34,590
of the mantis ones I mean one lady that

1313
00:57:40,430 --> 00:57:37,830
I worked with was taken underground and

1314
00:57:42,050 --> 00:57:40,440
she was shown this huge terrifying

1315
00:57:45,140 --> 00:57:42,060
picture of a man

1316
00:57:47,180 --> 00:57:45,150
and she kept being told they are evil

1317
00:57:49,130 --> 00:57:47,190
they are evil they are evil this was

1318
00:57:51,290 --> 00:57:49,140
during a regression okay

1319
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:51,300
so there's you can believe that or not

1320
00:57:57,100 --> 00:57:55,170
but so we do know there's a program to

1321
00:58:00,770 --> 00:57:57,110
make those that are picked up that way

1322
00:58:04,130 --> 00:58:00,780
terrified of non-human intelligences so

1323
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:04,140
that is part of the problem is what is

1324
00:58:10,010 --> 00:58:07,200
human orchestrated what is trauma via

1325
00:58:12,860 --> 00:58:10,020
non-human intelligences and that can

1326
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:12,870
sometimes be very blurred because of how

1327
00:58:18,620 --> 00:58:16,170
people are treated when someone comes to

1328
00:58:21,290 --> 00:58:18,630
me though that's had experiences they

1329
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:21,300
may be traumatized but what they may be

1330
00:58:25,310 --> 00:58:23,490
fearful of isn't necessarily what

1331
00:58:26,900 --> 00:58:25,320
happened they may just be fearful

1332
00:58:29,540 --> 00:58:26,910
because they didn't know what happened

1333
00:58:30,650 --> 00:58:29,550
and they anticipated something terrible

1334
00:58:33,770 --> 00:58:30,660
happened to them

1335
00:58:36,620 --> 00:58:33,780
so why hypnosis is so useful is that

1336
00:58:39,110 --> 00:58:36,630
gives them a window into understanding

1337
00:58:41,870 --> 00:58:39,120
what actually happened rather than what

1338
00:58:44,210 --> 00:58:41,880
they believed happened because it you

1339
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:44,220
know it's so out of their paradigm what

1340
00:58:49,580 --> 00:58:47,130
I've discovered for a majority of those

1341
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:49,590
is once they've discovered the reality

1342
00:58:54,890 --> 00:58:51,690
of their experience it may not be

1343
00:58:57,500 --> 00:58:54,900
anything like they imagined many we had

1344
00:58:59,600 --> 00:58:57,510
the statistics that said fifty percent

1345
00:59:02,690 --> 00:58:59,610
of those surveyed had healing

1346
00:59:04,670 --> 00:59:02,700
experiences on board craft so I've taken

1347
00:59:07,490 --> 00:59:04,680
many of my clients they've seen

1348
00:59:10,460 --> 00:59:07,500
themselves on a table they've seen

1349
00:59:13,490 --> 00:59:10,470
genetic material taken and they've also

1350
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:13,500
been told this is healing Forex wines

1351
00:59:17,330 --> 00:59:15,450
and we know they've been you know people

1352
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:17,340
have been cured of all sorts of things

1353
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:20,570
so then is where's the consent and

1354
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:23,040
because they're in an altered state and

1355
00:59:27,260 --> 00:59:24,570
because they're tapping into their

1356
00:59:29,180 --> 00:59:27,270
subconscious superconscious there is an

1357
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:29,190
awful lot of information available to

1358
00:59:34,070 --> 00:59:30,930
them that's not when they're conscious

1359
00:59:36,710 --> 00:59:34,080
so I'm saying to them so is this part of

1360
00:59:41,330 --> 00:59:36,720
what you would see your consented

1361
00:59:43,700 --> 00:59:41,340
mandate and they have often most often

1362
00:59:45,850 --> 00:59:43,710
said yes it's my contract with them

1363
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:45,860
because they said I'm one of them

1364
00:59:50,900 --> 00:59:48,810
because some will realize that the

1365
00:59:53,300 --> 00:59:50,910
beings they're interacting with they may

1366
00:59:55,460 --> 00:59:53,310
have actually in a previous existence

1367
00:59:57,950 --> 00:59:55,470
actually being one of the beings

1368
00:59:59,480 --> 00:59:57,960
that they're interacting with now now

1369
01:00:02,390 --> 00:59:59,490
they come out of it they may be

1370
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:02,400
completely confused they may find it all

1371
01:00:06,079 --> 01:00:04,650
really too hard to cope with and they'll

1372
01:00:07,940 --> 01:00:06,089
say what do you think I said it's not

1373
01:00:10,520 --> 01:00:07,950
what I think does that resonate with you

1374
01:00:12,770 --> 01:00:10,530
on some level and they usually say yes

1375
01:00:14,779 --> 01:00:12,780
it does well now I said it's up to you

1376
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:14,789
it's up to you to take that information

1377
01:00:19,819 --> 01:00:17,490
decide whether it makes sense to you and

1378
01:00:21,980 --> 01:00:19,829
the other thing that I say to them when

1379
01:00:23,809 --> 01:00:21,990
they say all I've been told the grades

1380
01:00:26,270 --> 01:00:23,819
are bad or I've been told this I'm

1381
01:00:29,089 --> 01:00:26,280
saying forget what you've been told

1382
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:29,099
that's their experience what do you feel

1383
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:30,450
from this intelligence

1384
01:00:35,690 --> 01:00:32,970
what is the sense you get and it can be

1385
01:00:38,569 --> 01:00:35,700
completely different so some have I'm

1386
01:00:40,940 --> 01:00:38,579
terrified I don't like this one I think

1387
01:00:43,220 --> 01:00:40,950
they're bad that's their experience it's

1388
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:43,230
it's valid as much as the one that says

1389
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:44,490
well I think they've got a sense of

1390
01:00:49,910 --> 01:00:47,250
humor or whatever but remember what

1391
01:00:53,210 --> 01:00:49,920
people don't know is that the Grays in

1392
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:53,220
this lump greys I was told by one lady

1393
01:01:00,140 --> 01:00:55,530
that she knew of a hundred and sixty

1394
01:01:02,420 --> 01:01:00,150
five species of gray so do you lump them

1395
01:01:03,829 --> 01:01:02,430
all together it's like taking one human

1396
01:01:07,010 --> 01:01:03,839
being off the planet and saying that's

1397
01:01:09,349 --> 01:01:07,020
all humans what a load of nonsense so

1398
01:01:12,109 --> 01:01:09,359
there's so much we don't know but we can

1399
01:01:14,539 --> 01:01:12,119
only go on our own experience and our

1400
01:01:16,849 --> 01:01:14,549
own understanding of that particularly

1401
01:01:19,670 --> 01:01:16,859
how we choose to interpret it is up to

1402
01:01:22,339 --> 01:01:19,680
that person it's not to me you or anyone

1403
01:01:25,940 --> 01:01:22,349
else it's their experience and only they

1404
01:01:28,039 --> 01:01:25,950
can decide how to interpret it okay so

1405
01:01:30,500 --> 01:01:28,049
you've been super generous with your

1406
01:01:33,260 --> 01:01:30,510
time and you just deliver the goods it's

1407
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:33,270
so awesome talking to you every topic

1408
01:01:37,640 --> 01:01:35,730
you're just gonna nail it there's one

1409
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:37,650
more topic I'm gonna pick this one

1410
01:01:41,299 --> 01:01:38,970
because it's one of the last ones we

1411
01:01:43,490 --> 01:01:41,309
haven't talked then I'll let you get on

1412
01:01:46,220 --> 01:01:43,500
with the rest of your day this is a

1413
01:01:48,230 --> 01:01:46,230
topic that keeps coming up for me and I

1414
01:01:51,289 --> 01:01:48,240
keep bringing it up to people and I'm

1415
01:01:54,289 --> 01:01:51,299
never quite satisfied with the answer

1416
01:01:59,019 --> 01:01:54,299
and that is the relationship that ice

1417
01:02:02,510 --> 01:01:59,029
keeps bumping into between the

1418
01:02:04,099 --> 01:02:02,520
technological advances in consciousness

1419
01:02:08,599 --> 01:02:04,109
the relationship between consciousness

1420
01:02:09,319 --> 01:02:08,609
and technology versus true spirituality

1421
01:02:11,209 --> 01:02:09,329
I hate

1422
01:02:12,979 --> 01:02:11,219
to put that in those terms but I'll give

1423
01:02:17,059 --> 01:02:12,989
you an idea of what I'm talking about

1424
01:02:21,410 --> 01:02:17,069
clearly non-human intelligence contact

1425
01:02:24,589 --> 01:02:21,420
experiences suggest a technology to

1426
01:02:27,109 --> 01:02:24,599
consciousness that they if you'll allow

1427
01:02:30,140 --> 01:02:27,119
that have mastered in a way that we have

1428
01:02:34,130 --> 01:02:30,150
so whether it's telepathic communication

1429
01:02:36,410 --> 01:02:34,140
screened memories projected memories

1430
01:02:38,620 --> 01:02:36,420
good or bad these are all things that

1431
01:02:41,900 --> 01:02:38,630
come up again and again and come up in a

1432
01:02:44,719 --> 01:02:41,910
technology way and in the sense that we

1433
01:02:47,959 --> 01:02:44,729
can do that we have an iPhone app to do

1434
01:02:50,089 --> 01:02:47,969
that I jump over the other side and I

1435
01:02:54,109 --> 01:02:50,099
look at the near-death experience

1436
01:02:58,339 --> 01:02:54,119
science and I look at what Yogi's say

1437
01:03:01,759 --> 01:02:58,349
about the spirituality of the larger

1438
01:03:04,609 --> 01:03:01,769
whole and the message is different the

1439
01:03:06,769 --> 01:03:04,619
message isn't motivated towards fixing

1440
01:03:10,430 --> 01:03:06,779
the planet as important as that might be

1441
01:03:13,519 --> 01:03:10,440
they say things like world what world

1442
01:03:17,569 --> 01:03:13,529
they say in this world but not of this

1443
01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:17,579
world they say find the ocean of love

1444
01:03:22,130 --> 01:03:20,880
and jump into it find the Godhead and

1445
01:03:23,689 --> 01:03:22,140
these are from all these different

1446
01:03:27,079 --> 01:03:23,699
traditions and these are from people of

1447
01:03:29,239 --> 01:03:27,089
NDE experiences who come back and do

1448
01:03:31,489 --> 01:03:29,249
care about other people and care about

1449
01:03:33,529 --> 01:03:31,499
the planet but not in a way that want to

1450
01:03:35,989 --> 01:03:33,539
fix the planet in a way that just says

1451
01:03:37,939 --> 01:03:35,999
well you know I had a life review and

1452
01:03:39,529 --> 01:03:37,949
none of this stuff is really that

1453
01:03:42,170 --> 01:03:39,539
important we're all just kind of in the

1454
01:03:46,009 --> 01:03:42,180
middle ground so I'm not asking you to

1455
01:03:49,819 --> 01:03:46,019
endorse or any kind of spiritual belief

1456
01:03:51,650 --> 01:03:49,829
what I'm wondering is it almost seems

1457
01:03:53,660 --> 01:03:51,660
like there's two different ladders here

1458
01:03:55,759 --> 01:03:53,670
one that's leaned up against one wall

1459
01:03:57,769 --> 01:03:55,769
and one that's leaned up against another

1460
01:04:00,859 --> 01:03:57,779
and the one ladder is leaned up against

1461
01:04:02,930 --> 01:04:00,869
the technology and materialistic wall

1462
01:04:04,640 --> 01:04:02,940
and it's a wall that we all have to

1463
01:04:06,079 --> 01:04:04,650
climb because we all live in a world

1464
01:04:08,239 --> 01:04:06,089
where we have certain needs and we have

1465
01:04:11,509 --> 01:04:08,249
to get those needs met but there seems

1466
01:04:13,939 --> 01:04:11,519
to be another wall that is is not even

1467
01:04:16,670 --> 01:04:13,949
that concerned with that not concerned

1468
01:04:19,120 --> 01:04:16,680
with these kind of worldly things and

1469
01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:19,130
I'm just wondering if you have any

1470
01:04:23,150 --> 01:04:22,890
opinion on this consciousness technology

1471
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:23,160
of

1472
01:04:27,980 --> 01:04:25,410
spirituality the way I always put the

1473
01:04:29,180 --> 01:04:27,990
question to people is does ET have a n

1474
01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:29,190
de life review

1475
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:31,770
are they there once a og you know I had

1476
01:04:36,470 --> 01:04:33,210
a pretty good life but I could have done

1477
01:04:38,180 --> 01:04:36,480
that better and you know to truly be one

1478
01:04:41,330 --> 01:04:38,190
with the Godhead I probably should have

1479
01:04:46,010 --> 01:04:41,340
done this with that it is at the core

1480
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:46,020
for me of the mystery because people may

1481
01:04:51,410 --> 01:04:48,810
not know that although I do hypnosis for

1482
01:04:54,460 --> 01:04:51,420
those having encounters I also do

1483
01:04:58,040 --> 01:04:54,470
hypnosis take people into past lives and

1484
01:05:00,740 --> 01:04:58,050
for me what this does is help me

1485
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:00,750
understand my present journey my present

1486
01:05:07,130 --> 01:05:03,930
adventure on this planet so to start

1487
01:05:10,030 --> 01:05:07,140
with if I have taken someone from their

1488
01:05:12,530 --> 01:05:10,040
past life through the death sequence and

1489
01:05:14,630 --> 01:05:12,540
they're seeing themselves as a spirit

1490
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:14,640
just like you know the NDE where they're

1491
01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:16,290
seeing themselves as a spirit and

1492
01:05:20,420 --> 01:05:18,450
whatever and I'll say to them what did

1493
01:05:22,250 --> 01:05:20,430
you learn in that life they may say well

1494
01:05:24,140 --> 01:05:22,260
I starve to death I learned about limits

1495
01:05:25,550 --> 01:05:24,150
or I learned about compassion or

1496
01:05:27,620 --> 01:05:25,560
whatever so they can give you what

1497
01:05:29,750 --> 01:05:27,630
they've learned the other thing and this

1498
01:05:32,600 --> 01:05:29,760
is leading into where I think this is

1499
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:32,610
all about is the fact that from that

1500
01:05:37,820 --> 01:05:34,650
then they'll say now I chose to come

1501
01:05:41,060 --> 01:05:37,830
into human form I had you know I chose

1502
01:05:44,540 --> 01:05:41,070
my parents my siblings I chose the

1503
01:05:47,420 --> 01:05:44,550
journey I chose my challenges because I

1504
01:05:52,220 --> 01:05:47,430
wanted to explore physicality in this

1505
01:05:56,090 --> 01:05:52,230
particular time span and experience and

1506
01:05:58,460 --> 01:05:56,100
grow from that experience so for me that

1507
01:06:00,260 --> 01:05:58,470
doesn't contradict any of what the

1508
01:06:02,690 --> 01:06:00,270
Yogi's are saying is that we're spirit

1509
01:06:05,750 --> 01:06:02,700
we're consciousness we're connected to

1510
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:05,760
all consciousness and we all perhaps are

1511
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:07,530
connected to whatever that source of

1512
01:06:12,020 --> 01:06:09,210
consciousness is whatever name you want

1513
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:12,030
to give that I try not to use names

1514
01:06:16,730 --> 01:06:13,890
because everyone has a different idea of

1515
01:06:18,980 --> 01:06:16,740
what that collective consciousness is so

1516
01:06:20,660 --> 01:06:18,990
for me that makes absolute sense you

1517
01:06:23,150 --> 01:06:20,670
know you you talk to people who've done

1518
01:06:23,690 --> 01:06:23,160
many of their life between life dr.

1519
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:23,700
Newton

1520
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:26,370
actually in journey of souls did

1521
01:06:30,170 --> 01:06:28,650
hundreds of of these regressions where

1522
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:30,180
they found about the soul and the

1523
01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:32,730
spiritual mode and so what it then says

1524
01:06:36,650 --> 01:06:35,250
to me is so we've come in to this human

1525
01:06:39,589 --> 01:06:36,660
journey at this

1526
01:06:42,559 --> 01:06:39,599
time because we want to experience from

1527
01:06:44,150 --> 01:06:42,569
a material level which means everything

1528
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:44,160
that goes with a material level

1529
01:06:48,980 --> 01:06:45,930
including technology

1530
01:06:51,049 --> 01:06:48,990
as part of the journey to growth because

1531
01:06:53,510 --> 01:06:51,059
we've come here for I call it a you know

1532
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:53,520
a spiritual adventure we want to

1533
01:06:57,589 --> 01:06:55,650
challenge ourselves as as a

1534
01:06:58,940 --> 01:06:57,599
consciousness to experience certain

1535
01:07:00,890 --> 01:06:58,950
things and everybody has their own

1536
01:07:03,010 --> 01:07:00,900
journey with that which makes a lot of

1537
01:07:05,420 --> 01:07:03,020
sense to me is why some choose more

1538
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:05,430
challenging physical journeys and some

1539
01:07:10,839 --> 01:07:07,530
more emotional or spiritual because

1540
01:07:13,339 --> 01:07:10,849
we're all different consciousness

1541
01:07:16,309 --> 01:07:13,349
wanting to explore greater than

1542
01:07:17,990 --> 01:07:16,319
ourselves so that's how I see it so in

1543
01:07:19,579 --> 01:07:18,000
fact when people say where's the free

1544
01:07:22,190 --> 01:07:19,589
will the free will is in your attitude

1545
01:07:24,170 --> 01:07:22,200
to it do you want to see as a victim or

1546
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:24,180
do you want to see it as a way of

1547
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:28,410
enabling you to expand in terms of your

1548
01:07:33,650 --> 01:07:31,170
understanding so when I approach

1549
01:07:35,779 --> 01:07:33,660
anything I get many many people that

1550
01:07:37,819 --> 01:07:35,789
really are interested in the spiritual

1551
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:37,829
journey why am I here what's my mission

1552
01:07:44,150 --> 01:07:40,890
and I get this all the time so part of

1553
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:44,160
my work is helping them to a place where

1554
01:07:48,109 --> 01:07:46,410
they can explore that you know and they

1555
01:07:50,390 --> 01:07:48,119
may go into a past life or they may

1556
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:50,400
suddenly find themselves on another

1557
01:07:54,039 --> 01:07:52,890
planet or whatever sue me they may find

1558
01:07:56,990 --> 01:07:54,049
themselves in a parallel universe

1559
01:07:58,849 --> 01:07:57,000
different timeline I go anywhere doesn't

1560
01:08:01,940 --> 01:07:58,859
matter to me because as long as it gives

1561
01:08:05,599 --> 01:08:01,950
them more of a sense of them themselves

1562
01:08:06,650 --> 01:08:05,609
and their spiritual journey they can

1563
01:08:10,549 --> 01:08:06,660
experience anything they've seen

1564
01:08:12,980 --> 01:08:10,559
themselves as beings mantus beings grey

1565
01:08:15,829 --> 01:08:12,990
beings they seem cells as crystalline

1566
01:08:16,970 --> 01:08:15,839
beings energy beings light beings they

1567
01:08:19,849 --> 01:08:16,980
see themselves in all these different

1568
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:19,859
roles as creator beings they see where I

1569
01:08:24,499 --> 01:08:22,410
go is more or less as no there's no

1570
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:24,509
limits to that because there's no limits

1571
01:08:31,309 --> 01:08:28,170
to consciousness so for me it's it's

1572
01:08:33,559 --> 01:08:31,319
about okay so where are you at where it

1573
01:08:36,110 --> 01:08:33,569
you know I still do an ABC here and

1574
01:08:39,650 --> 01:08:36,120
adding up or are you doing calculus or

1575
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:39,660
are you actually doing your degree so in

1576
01:08:44,930 --> 01:08:42,330
terms of awareness I as a counselor I'm

1577
01:08:46,459 --> 01:08:44,940
looking at the level that person finds

1578
01:08:48,530 --> 01:08:46,469
the most helpful to them in their

1579
01:08:49,939 --> 01:08:48,540
journey and for some it will be I want

1580
01:08:50,419 --> 01:08:49,949
to deal with the pollution of the planet

1581
01:08:56,689 --> 01:08:50,429
I want

1582
01:08:58,760 --> 01:08:56,699
will say I'm here just to be just to

1583
01:09:00,590 --> 01:08:58,770
experience it's all cool

1584
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:00,600
because as long as they're happy with

1585
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:02,370
how they understand themselves that's

1586
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:03,449
all that matters so

1587
01:09:08,149 --> 01:09:05,370
some of us want to stay and work with

1588
01:09:10,010 --> 01:09:08,159
the 3d reality others want to actually

1589
01:09:12,050 --> 01:09:10,020
move to another level of understanding

1590
01:09:12,979 --> 01:09:12,060
and it doesn't really matter how we do

1591
01:09:15,289 --> 01:09:12,989
it through a near-death experience

1592
01:09:17,990 --> 01:09:15,299
out-of-body experience shamanic

1593
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:18,000
experience healing experience we all

1594
01:09:22,610 --> 01:09:20,130
have different ways of reaching that

1595
01:09:25,820 --> 01:09:22,620
level of consciousness that we seek as a

1596
01:09:27,890 --> 01:09:25,830
soul so I don't know if that's answered

1597
01:09:30,559 --> 01:09:27,900
your question it does and I'm really

1598
01:09:32,930 --> 01:09:30,569
glad you brought up the counseling part

1599
01:09:34,399 --> 01:09:32,940
because I I don't hear you talk about

1600
01:09:36,649 --> 01:09:34,409
that very much of course that's the

1601
01:09:38,329 --> 01:09:36,659
first thing people focus on because

1602
01:09:40,430 --> 01:09:38,339
that's how people like to pigeonhole

1603
01:09:43,010 --> 01:09:40,440
people oh she's just selling books oh

1604
01:09:45,140 --> 01:09:43,020
she's just trying to do regressions you

1605
01:09:46,490 --> 01:09:45,150
know and that's not been my my

1606
01:09:48,140 --> 01:09:46,500
experience has been the opposite you

1607
01:09:52,099 --> 01:09:48,150
never lead with that I'm sure you have

1608
01:09:54,399 --> 01:09:52,109
more of that work then you probably it's

1609
01:09:57,709 --> 01:09:54,409
more of a burden than anything else if

1610
01:09:59,540 --> 01:09:57,719
anything I hope I'm so glad that you

1611
01:10:02,630 --> 01:09:59,550
brought that up I do want people to

1612
01:10:06,729 --> 01:10:02,640
check out this book and your other books

1613
01:10:08,750 --> 01:10:06,739
there's tons of extensive free youtube

1614
01:10:11,300 --> 01:10:08,760
presentations that you've given that are

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up there for free that people can find

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and I want you in a minute to talk about

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your website but I do want to emphasize

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this counseling thing because I think it

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is so it's going to be so meaningful to

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some people right now who are listening

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01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:27,440
to the show are going to be so thankful

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01:10:34,399 --> 01:10:31,250
that there's someone like you out there

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01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:34,409
who is open who is a trained

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01:10:41,330 --> 01:10:37,530
professional who they can go and confide

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01:10:45,320 --> 01:10:41,340
in and maybe find some answers to some

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01:10:47,510 --> 01:10:45,330
questions that they don't even dare you

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01:10:50,750 --> 01:10:47,520
know talk to their spouse about or talk

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01:10:52,490 --> 01:10:50,760
to their family about and yet with you

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01:10:54,919 --> 01:10:52,500
Mary they're gonna find somebody who's

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01:10:56,689 --> 01:10:54,929
you know been there done that it's not

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01:10:58,580 --> 01:10:56,699
there isn't going to be the judgement

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because you've done it so many times

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01:11:04,220 --> 01:11:02,429
that it's okay it's okay to contact Mary

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01:11:06,790 --> 01:11:04,230
and if she has the time to talk to you

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01:11:09,020 --> 01:11:06,800
it could really be a healing experience

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01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:09,030
for I think a lot of people and I know

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01:11:12,979 --> 01:11:11,130
you've experienced that over and over

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01:11:16,340 --> 01:11:12,989
again and maybe you want to just speak

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01:11:18,590 --> 01:11:16,350
to that a little bit more well that's

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01:11:20,450 --> 01:11:18,600
the core of everything I came in because

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01:11:22,490 --> 01:11:20,460
somebody came to me saying there's no

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01:11:24,770 --> 01:11:22,500
support groups marry for this they just

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01:11:28,370 --> 01:11:24,780
think you're crazy so people could

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01:11:31,070 --> 01:11:28,380
contact me with that am I crazy or is

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01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:31,080
this valid and if it's valid what do I

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01:11:36,650 --> 01:11:34,290
do with it so I'm there to be a sounding

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01:11:39,260 --> 01:11:36,660
board I'm there to offer information

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01:11:41,870 --> 01:11:39,270
that may help them validate it but more

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01:11:44,270 --> 01:11:41,880
than anything to give them the the

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01:11:46,130 --> 01:11:44,280
openness and permission to explore

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01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:46,140
whatever it is that's coming up and

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01:11:49,430 --> 01:11:47,370
they've said I've never been able to

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01:11:51,530 --> 01:11:49,440
talk about this to anyone they may have

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01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:51,540
spent their life with this dual reality

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01:11:55,490 --> 01:11:54,090
and never once been able to say it to

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01:11:57,439 --> 01:11:55,500
anyone because they're afraid of

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01:11:58,939 --> 01:11:57,449
judgment or afraid that people will

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01:12:02,300 --> 01:11:58,949
think they're they're crazy or whatever

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01:12:05,060 --> 01:12:02,310
so that is my main focus is helping

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01:12:07,070 --> 01:12:05,070
people open their own door to that

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01:12:10,100 --> 01:12:07,080
broader reality or that that

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01:12:12,620 --> 01:12:10,110
multidimensionality feel normal and know

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01:12:15,020 --> 01:12:12,630
that they're not they're not crazy but

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01:12:16,700 --> 01:12:15,030
there are actually more normal than most

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01:12:19,220 --> 01:12:16,710
people because they're actually

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01:12:22,729 --> 01:12:19,230
realizing they're multi-dimensional

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01:12:25,189 --> 01:12:22,739
rather than just a 3d solid meatball you

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01:12:26,750 --> 01:12:25,199
know and and for me that is why I do

1669
01:12:29,419 --> 01:12:26,760
what I'm doing why I'm doing this

1670
01:12:31,790 --> 01:12:29,429
interview why write the books is not

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01:12:34,580 --> 01:12:31,800
because it's it's it's about the

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01:12:37,939 --> 01:12:34,590
information and it's about the fact that

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01:12:40,070 --> 01:12:37,949
it gives people a way into honoring what

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01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:40,080
every one of us experience which is

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01:12:45,050 --> 01:12:42,650
intuition which is sensing and knowing

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01:12:48,290 --> 01:12:45,060
awareness that we are not just the

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01:12:51,590 --> 01:12:48,300
physical body and to have almost like

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01:12:55,340 --> 01:12:51,600
validation that they are okay and they

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01:12:57,890 --> 01:12:55,350
with that being okay means that they can

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01:12:59,870 --> 01:12:57,900
then can expand without being scared or

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01:13:02,720 --> 01:12:59,880
fearful that there's something wrong

1682
01:13:04,550 --> 01:13:02,730
Mary what's the best way for people to

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01:13:05,689 --> 01:13:04,560
connect with you I said that you know

1684
01:13:08,450 --> 01:13:05,699
you can obviously pick up a lot of

1685
01:13:11,810 --> 01:13:08,460
videos or the book the website and other

1686
01:13:13,189 --> 01:13:11,820
contact stuff we'll have links in the

1687
01:13:15,790 --> 01:13:13,199
show notes but for folks who are just

1688
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:15,800
listening you want to share some of that

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01:13:20,430 --> 01:13:17,530
my website

1690
01:13:23,010 --> 01:13:20,440
a CERN comm which is the Australian

1691
01:13:26,580 --> 01:13:23,020
close encounter resource network

1692
01:13:29,250 --> 01:13:26,590
the other one is Mary Rodwell comm I'm

1693
01:13:31,110 --> 01:13:29,260
on if you just google me you'll find

1694
01:13:33,660 --> 01:13:31,120
loads of presentations come up and I'm

1695
01:13:35,370 --> 01:13:33,670
on Facebook it's not hard to contact me

1696
01:13:38,420 --> 01:13:35,380
you can contact me through any of those

1697
01:13:40,980 --> 01:13:38,430
venues well it's been just terrific

1698
01:13:43,110 --> 01:13:40,990
having you on the show again and and

1699
01:13:46,770 --> 01:13:43,120
reconnecting and the information share

1700
01:13:49,260 --> 01:13:46,780
is so great and I hope my introduction

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01:13:51,180 --> 01:13:49,270
turns out not to be true or at least not

1702
01:13:54,090 --> 01:13:51,190
to be true for most people and I hope

1703
01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:54,100
they're willing to kind of push past

1704
01:14:00,500 --> 01:13:57,130
this this barrier and really dive deep

1705
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:00,510
in an open mind because it's just

1706
01:14:07,020 --> 01:14:03,370
paradigm shattering to use your words

1707
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:07,030
but it's hard to deny thanks so much for

1708
01:14:12,780 --> 01:14:10,210
coming back on Mary it's been a pleasure

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01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:12,790
Alex and you always are such interesting

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01:14:18,750 --> 01:14:15,370
questions and I love that so thank you

1711
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:18,760
for everything you contribute thanks

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01:14:23,130 --> 01:14:20,530
again to Mary Rodwell for joining me

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01:14:25,110 --> 01:14:23,140
today on sceptical the one question I

1714
01:14:27,660 --> 01:14:25,120
guess I'd have to tee up from this

1715
01:14:30,150 --> 01:14:27,670
interview it's the question I challenged

1716
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:30,160
y'all with at the beginning is what

1717
01:14:35,820 --> 01:14:32,770
would it take to convince you of the

1718
01:14:37,950 --> 01:14:35,830
reality of Mary's research and after

1719
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:37,960
stress again that it's not easy

1720
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:40,810
it's a heath III I don't know if I'm

1721
01:14:45,720 --> 01:14:43,930
there all the way I mean I'm like of

1722
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:45,730
step-by-step through the data and I

1723
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:49,210
always wind up there but then I step

1724
01:14:53,700 --> 01:14:51,130
back and trying to live my life like

1725
01:14:56,850 --> 01:14:53,710
that I just don't know it's just way too

1726
01:14:59,130 --> 01:14:56,860
much to take in what do you think so let

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01:15:02,790 --> 01:14:59,140
me know find us through the skeptic Oh

1728
01:15:04,530 --> 01:15:02,800
website it's k EPT Iko calm you'll find

1729
01:15:08,190 --> 01:15:04,540
all our previous shows they're available

1730
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:08,200
for free for download to enjoy we do

1731
01:15:12,090 --> 01:15:09,850
whatever you like with sharing with

1732
01:15:14,220 --> 01:15:12,100
friends all that good stuff a lot of

1733
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:14,230
topics we cover you can also click on

1734
01:15:18,870 --> 01:15:17,410
over to this skeptical forum I am active

1735
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:18,880
on the skeptical forum so if you really

1736
01:15:23,790 --> 01:15:21,370
want to have a follow-on discussion with

1737
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:23,800
me or a question you can check out the

1738
01:15:27,700 --> 01:15:26,050
skeptical forum and there's a lot of

1739
01:15:30,310 --> 01:15:27,710
good stuff there

1740
01:15:32,709 --> 01:15:30,320
I have some good interviews coming up I

1741
01:15:34,150 --> 01:15:32,719
thank some great guests please stick

1742
01:15:37,990 --> 01:15:34,160
around for all of that

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01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:38,000
until next time take care and bye for